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re: tOfficial Alabama Basketball Season Thread | 19-15 (10-8) | #BuckleUp

Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:44 am to
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:44 am to
Based on your numbers right now, you only have one schollie left. I was just pointing out that pulling in a 2/3 is really where the obvious hole is

If Sexton/Petty/Everyone new works out, the 2/3 is the obvious weak spot with someone Norris in. Worst case, those guys don't work out and the 2/3 is still the obvious weak link

Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:48 am to
UCLA went from a losing record with a decent core to one of the best teams in CBB by adding two 5 stars and one 4 star. Why is it unrealistic we'd go from mediocre to a low tournament seed doing the same?

I'm not saying we're going to be UCLA good, but with a starting lineup of

Sexton
Ingram
Petty
Key
Hall

we should expect a tournament bid
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Here are the 2 things I keep thinking of so this shitty season doesn't piss me off.....

#1, Here are the upgrades we are about to make next season...

Jimmie Taylor => Daniel Giddens
Bola Olaniyan => Alex Reese
Shannon Hale => John Petty
Brandon Austin => Herb Jones
Corban Collins => Collin Sexton

And THANK GOD we are getting rid of Bola's sorry arse, he's the worst player in Bama Basketball history...

#2, How about this depth chart for next season boys....

Collin Sexton/Dazon Ingram/Avery Jr
Riley Norris/Herb Jones/Ar'Mond Davis
John Petty/Nick King
Braxton Key/Alex Reese
Donta Hall/Daniel Giddens





Pretty good post, other than saying Bola is the worst player in Bama history. Did you just omit the Grant years when we had bigs like Carl Engstrom and Moussa Gueye? Literally the only reason Grant brought those players in is because they were over 7 foot.
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
6820 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:52 am to
We've basically been on the bubble every year minus one since the last time we made the tourney about 10 years ago. During those years, we've had mediocre players with a few "good" players like Obasohan, Releford, and JaMychal Green. Green is the only one in the NBA right now. Now we're adding 2 elite players along with 4 more who are supposed to be "good" players. I don't expect us to be some dominant team, but we shouldn't miss the tourney with this group next year.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:03 am to
Just out of kindness from the basketball gods, I hope we make the tournament next year. Gene gives some good points though to why we shouldn't set the bar too high. The PG/SG transition to the college level often comes with many ups and downs. Braxton (though he's a forward) struggles often with turnovers and passing the ball. Conversely though, he's turned out to be our best player,has been in double figures in 7 of his last 8 games, and is a good ball defender. But to point out, he's also more versatile than what Sexton and Petty will be.

I just hope to dear god we can do more than just rely on jump shots from the 3, and drive to the basket. I don't think anyone on this team can fake going to the basket, then pull up for a 12-footer. It would be nice to see them actually beat defenders one-on-one, then take higher percentage shots, rather than insensibly drive to the rim with 2 defenders and pick up the inevitable charge.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:06 am to
The sucky part about these next two games- other than South Carolina or Kentucky completely forgetting the games exist and not showing up- is that we're looking at 4 straight losses, and 5 of the last 7.
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:09 am to
quote:

UCLA went from a losing record with a decent core to one of the best teams in CBB by adding two 5 stars and one 4 star. Why is it unrealistic we'd go from mediocre to a low tournament seed doing the same?


No, it's certainly not unrealistic. I'm just pointing out that not all 5-stars are the same. Some are NBA type players that are immediately the best players on the floor (Malik Monk) and some are raw and not as physically dominant as the camp circuit made them appear.

I think Sexton will immediately step on the floor and be a nationally phenomena. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. I'll be curious to see what Petty is like.

quote:

we should expect a tournament bid


100% agree - anything less is a disappointment
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37843 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:14 am to
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Why is it unrealistic we'd go from mediocre to a low tournament seed doing the same?


Assuming Sexton/Petty come as billed, that's the expectation isn't it?

quote:

UCLA went from a losing record with a decent core to one of the best teams in CBB


Big Pac12 fan here, you can't just pull this one out of context. UCLA returned 4 of their 5 leading scorers including a 5* and two top 40 players

Their record was also not reflective of their actual team play and more a ridiculous schedule they weren't ready for

- UCLA beat final rankings #16 Kentucky, #21 Gonzaga, #22 Arizona
- OOC losses included #2 UNC, #3 Kansas
- ~50% of their losses were to final top 25 teams
- ~75% of their losses were to 20+ win teams

This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 9:15 am
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:30 am to
quote:

Just out of kindness from the basketball gods


This is expecting too much
Posted by coachpaw
Jasper
Member since Jun 2016
147 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:39 am to
When you talk about 3 point shooting, Trevor Releford's senior year was one of the best shooting years anyone has had considering the volume of his shots. We really wasted his senior year. By his senior year, he could shoot the 3 (39% and 40% as junior) and was one of the most talented around the rim scorers I've seen. And he was money from the line (85%). (Charvez Davis shot 34% from 3 in his senior year for your information.) Add a player like Releford to this team and you've got a dangerous team. That's what I hope Sexton is like as a freshman. He will just have a brighter green light than any of Grant's players ever had.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
31024 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:41 am to
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quote:
Sorry but Junior ain't gonna be anything more than a spot player.


I agree, but I was responding to a post saying we needed a backup point guard in the recruiting class. Sexton/Ingram/AJ is plenty imo

I beg to differ, but we don't have a point guard at all right now that can play on a D-1 level. Any future one that we got/get will need to be THE guy.....any team that can pressure the ball will run our asses off the court right now.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
31024 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:51 am to
quote:

So you are saying that PG w Sexton/Ingram is a bigger need than the position that has Riley Norris starting?

I can see sliding Ingram down to the 2, but otherwise you are going to have to explain what you're seeing


Chin, I agree with you on most things (especially Norris), but I think you're wrong regarding our priorities. We can't compete with any team that can put pressure on the ball because we've got no point guard....and everybody has figured that out. It's painful to watch these kids get manhandled by any quick. aggressive team that decides to turn up the heat.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37843 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:04 am to
I see your point, but I think that is more indicative of the team you have now than what you'll have next year. Ideally, Sexton 1, Ingram 2 seems pretty obvious. You still don't have great depth at both 2/3 though w a PG being brought in

My point is just about the pressure/requirement of Petty. If he is slow/needs some time to adjust to D1, your 2/3 rotation will be a mess. THat is a lot of pressure on a true FR to step up
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:15 am to
Yeah I loved Releford as a player, but I was talking about a guy who is just a knockdown 3 point guy. Trevor was a playmaker who was a great shooter. Davis was good when he was open. He probably would have had a better percentage if we didn't have so many possessions where we passed it around the 3 pt arc for 34 seconds under Grant.

I'm just looking for a guy who can open up the lane because he can't be left open from deep
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 10:17 am
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:25 am to
Why are we only +6 today? I swear the Vegas guys love our sorry team
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
7053 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:13 am to
It's a monumental task to beat even an average team that get volcano hot from beyond the arch.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37843 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 11:15 am to
Maybe trying to get some bets flowing. That's on top of two low scoring teams that rank high on defense

USCe is 9-1 in the past 1 though, wouldn't be surprised if they think they'll have a down game plus Alabam to rebound
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 11:17 am
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 5:06 pm to
I was kind of hoping that storm today would kill me, so I wouldn't fell obligated to watch our team tonight
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 5:14 pm to
You're not getting out of it that easy
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13239 posts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 5:19 pm to
If we go .500 in the last 8, I would be pleasantly surprised
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