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Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by TiderinVa
Hampton, Virginia
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:14 pm to
Speculation is burnett, bediako, miles, and gurley return. Up in air on gary. Jd has decision to make, shack portal or overseas i guess. Add in the 5 recruits and add a couple from the portal. Our offense was top 10-12 in country on efficiency despite not shooting 3 well, shooting 3 well only increases our margin of victory . Problems were turnovers and not sound enough defensively . Getting defensive consistency back and limiting turnovers will determine the season bama has next year. Oats seems committed to solid nonconference schedule and next year is no different.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6727 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:19 pm to
I hope JD is back for sure.

I never thought he would be what some of you did (2A hoops in AL?) but I think he improved as the year went on. Terribly inconsistent is a better way of putting it than stink.

I doubt he returns. I don't think he falls out of the first round. I haven't seen a mock where he wasn't in the first.

First post since the loss, so disappointing. The JD cross court pass when we had cut it to 8 that went for a dunk was it for me. Turned the sound off and turned on the stereo at that night. I couldn't take it anymore.

As always, looking forward to next year!
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
40967 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:21 pm to
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South Carolina 3 leading candidates, per source:

- Murray State’s Matt McMahon
- Chattanooga’s Lamont Paris
- Former SC star and Wake assistant BJ McKie
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105708 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:22 pm to
Didn't know BJ McKie was a Forbes guy - he's been with him since his first year at ETSU in 2017
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46064 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:27 pm to
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I remember when similar things was said about Kira


Kira was a 17 year old reclassifier who shot better, created for himself better, and turned the ball over less than JD did this year despite being one of the youngest players in NCAA history.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
29638 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:31 pm to
Kira was twice the player JD was as a freshman. Kira had one bad game against LSU but other than that was solid the whole season. JD only had like 3 or 4 good games IMO. (Miami, Gonzaga, Baylor)
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105708 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:33 pm to
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Kira was a 17 year old reclassifier who shot better, created for himself better, and turned the ball over less than JD did this year despite being one of the youngest players in NCAA history.



Kira was unequivocally a better player as a freshman than JD. We're just gonna keep throwing shite at the wall and hoping it sticks instead of just point blank saying that JD wasn't very good this year I guess.

Stats vs top 100 teams

Kira Lewis - 2019
107.2 Offensive Rating
49.0 eFG%
1.66 Assist to Turnover Rate
16.6% TO rate
77% FT
48% 2PT
35% 3PT

JD Davison - 2022
98.9 Offensive Rating
50.6 eFG%
1.01 Assist to Turnover Rate
30.4% TO rate
73% FT
57% 2PT
27% 3PT


Kira was also without question a more capable defender.

When you are a point guard, your job is to run the offense and not hand the ball over. JD was one of the worst in the last decade of handing the ball over. That's really the bottom line. All the other stuff is nearly irrelevant.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted by TiderinVa
Hampton, Virginia
Member since May 2018
850 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:36 pm to
Covid wiped out jd's aau season his last year. Now we all now what AAU games are like but thats how jd got noticed and shot up rankings. Not playing last summer slowed his transition to college. What i saw was flashes of what he can be at his best, just inconsistent. His 3 ball showed steady improvement and the kid plays hard and works hard u can tell. Hes probably gone even tho i think he could shine next year with talent we have coming in. I remember what mo was as a freshman in 2002, he played within himself and was consistent . When he needed to assert himself to score more he did so. I see those qualities in bradley and jd could have those as well but he just seemed like he was indecisive at times
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:41 pm to
I thought there were a handful of games where JD was better than JQ. Not sure where the notion that he was terrible is coming from. He struggled at times for sure, and he probably fell short of our expectations, but I thought he was good player for us. I’d like to see him return, but if he’s getting a 1st round rating I can’t blame him for leaving.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
29638 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:47 pm to
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Not sure where the notion that he was terrible is coming from.


Anybody who watched. He couldn’t shoot, He couldn’t defend, wasn’t aggressive, and turned it over nonstop. He should have at least been as good as Chandler and TyTy and he wasn’t even in their same league.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105708 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

I thought there were a handful of games where JD was better than JQ. Not sure where the notion that he was terrible is coming from


I mean JQ was terrible for about a 4-5 week period in January/February, so being better than that wasn't exactly great.

quote:

I’d like to see him return, but if he’s getting a 1st round rating I can’t blame him for leaving.



I don't really have an opinion on his return, I think it'd be great if he came back and got better and really had an awesome year, but if he left I'd be ok with the incoming freshman/veteran portal pickup too.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46064 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:59 pm to
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Not sure where the notion that he was terrible is coming from.


I don't know what other word you'd use to describe a PG who makes less than 30% of his 3s, rarely creates his own looks, turns the ball over nearly as much as he facilitates with it, and plays matador defense. The only thing he really did at a high level for his position was rebound, which is literally dead last on any list of attributes to prioritize in a lead guard.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105708 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:00 pm to
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I don't know what other word you'd use to describe a PG who makes less than 30% of his 3s, rarely creates his own looks, turns the ball over nearly as much as he facilitates with it, and plays matador defense. The only thing he really did at a high level for his position was rebound, which is literally dead last on any list of attributes to prioritize in a lead guard.


I just don't get it. We all wanted him to be really good, or at least pretty good. He wasn't. Could he get better at some stuff next year? Absolutely!
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
29638 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:13 pm to
JQs brother entered the portal. Do y’all think he is a scholarship worthy player at a smaller school?
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46064 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:15 pm to
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Could he get better at some stuff next year? Absolutely!


I am fairly confident that he will do less shite like attempting a cross court pass with multiple defenders between him and his intended target next year if he comes back. That general lack of situational awareness is just a product of playing 2A Alabama high school ball. His 3pt shot is also something he can probably improve on. When he's able to catch and shoot it's not bad. His release is clunky though. Kinda reminiscent of Herb when he first started to really dedicate himself to improving from outside.

I do not believe JD will ever be able to consistently get his own shots and score points as a lead guard at this level or professionally though. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I just don't see the explosive player he was billed as unless he's jumping or running the full length of the floor. Once he's 3-4 steps up court he's flying, but you don't get those 3 steps in half court situations. You have 1-1.5 steps to get an angle on the defender, and if you don't then your drive is cut off or you're running into the help. JD's first step often looks like he's wearing ankle weights.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105708 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:20 pm to
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You have 1-1.5 steps to get an angle on the defender, and if you don't then your drive is cut off or you're running into the help. JD's first step often looks like he's wearing ankle weights.


He was desperately trying to get past Notre Dame's very average guard defenders (and not the freshman who is a very athletic defender) and he was just completely unable to get them on his hip.
Posted by Bamafan18
Member since Oct 2018
3692 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:29 pm to
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JQs brother entered the portal. Do y’all think he is a scholarship worthy player at a smaller school?
he probably is. Someone will take a chance on him based on last name alone I’m sure
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:34 pm to
I appreciate the realness.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:36 pm to
I said a long time ago that he had certain things to work on and that was learning how to break defenders down!

It's easy to nitpick at everything JD does wrong but won't speak truth on what he does right!

Oh and never have I said JD was better than Kira.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:42 pm to
I never said he wasn't. They are two different players though.

You HATE JD anyway so it doesn't matter what's said you'll just spin it!
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 1:47 pm
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