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Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:14 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:14 pm to CrimsonFever
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You haven't seen him dribble because it's becoming clear that you've barely seen him play at all. Here he is stealing the ball dribbling all the way down the court and dunking it.
He's probably watched more than most on this board if he watched a couple of games. Also, dribbling the ball twice with no one guarding you isn't proof he can dribble. Making a couple of deep balls in a video doesn't prove you can shoot either. Hell, you could have made Josh Smith look like the best three point shooter in the league with a highlight video, but that wouldn't have stopped Atlanta fans from groaning when he took them. Highlight videos can show you a players potential and show you a glimpse of what that player is capable of becoming but it shows no proof of consistency. That isn't to say they're worthless, but you need to have a lot more to rely on to backup what you see in the video.
It's okay that you disagree with the take that Bediako isn't ready for major minutes, but there are certainly reasons to think that he isn't. Just like there are reasons to think that he is.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:21 pm to BigBird09
Anyone who would have never watched Kira Lewis play before and watched him play u19 before his Sophomore season would've though he was terrible, he averaged 4 points a game. He went on to be a lottery pick. It's a terrible format to try to scout a player in first of all. Bediako barely played and didnt get to showcase any of what makes him a borderline 5 star, his ability to catch about any lob you throw to him, his shooting ability. He did get to show off his shot blocking some but that's about it.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:21 pm to Bryant91092
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Multiple writers have noted that Oats was at all of Jarace Walker’s games this weekend. Good sign that he’s at the very top of our board.
I’m pretty confident we land him and Jaden Bradley.
2022 could be our GOAT class
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:27 pm to CrimsonFever
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Bediako barely played
Against the USA he played 14mins and had 1pt and 0reb.
I’ve said from the beginning I don’t think he is gonna provide much of anything offensively this year and his value this season will be defense and shot blocking.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:30 pm to mistaken4193
I am not saying he will do much this year, just making the point that his upside is light years higher than Carl Engstrom and Jimmy Taylor and whoever else this guy compared him to. He is an above average shooter for a 7 footer and is a lot more athletic than Carl Engstrom.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:32 pm to mistaken4193
Bediakos final averages from the U19 WC:
13 mpg
4 PPG
2.9 rpg
1 bpg
Was 9/12 on FT so that is encouraging
13 mpg
4 PPG
2.9 rpg
1 bpg
Was 9/12 on FT so that is encouraging
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:34 pm to mistaken4193
Look at what Kira Lewis did in u19 and he was about to be a Sophomore. It's pretty meaningless.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 3:55 pm to CrimsonFever
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guarantee you this guy didn't know Bediako could shoot before I posted that video of him hitting threes yesterday, clearly didn't since he compared him to Carl Engstrom and Jimmy Taylor.
The first video you posted looked like the same highlight video i saw when he was recruited. I had not seen the video of him playing skins in some gym somewhere. Nice find. I watched him play three full games in the FIBA and I watched parts of the games i missed. He was terrible in the FIBA. I never saw him attempt to take a shot bc he's not comfortable with the ball in his hands and his teammates dont look for him. He was probably the worst offensive player Canada played. And that team was setup to feed the guy in the post and give it to him on the pick and roll. Edey had terrific stats the whole way.
I stand by the Carl Engstrom and Mousse Gueye comparison. He's got a long way to go before he gets to Jimmy Taylor level. And I'm not a guy who is overly critical of players. But if you watch the games in the FIBA, i guarantee 90% of you will feel the same way. And again, im only basing my opinion on the FIBA games. But the holes in his game are glaringly obvious.
I guess i need to go dig up Mousse and Carl's career stats bc im sure they are on par with Bediako in the FIBA. And remember his best game came against Japan U-19.
Eta: freshman year Carl averaged 12.6 mins, 3.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg and 1 block per game.
Gueye during his only year here: 15 mpg, 1.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.4 bpg.
So there you have it. Somebody aske charles if he plays handball.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:11 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Watch some of his IMG games you wil be higher on him. He averaged 13 points and 13 rebounds a game last year on a loaded IMG team he didnt even start on, Efton Reid was the starting C. You will see him dribbling. alot, and see that he is way more athletic and a better shooter than most 7 feet centers.
This is a pretty accurate scouting report on him from what I've seen and shows why he is ranked as high as he is and had offers from a lot of the top schools. (Duke, Michigan, Ohio State ect)
This is a pretty accurate scouting report on him from what I've seen and shows why he is ranked as high as he is and had offers from a lot of the top schools. (Duke, Michigan, Ohio State ect)
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Prospect: C Charles Bediako
Projected Position: C
Vitals: 6-foot-10, 210 pounds
School: Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy
Schools of Interest: Alabama, Duke, Michigan, Ohio State and Texas.
Frame: Slim build with plenty of room to add bulk and fill out at the next level.
Athleticism: Bediako is agile and has great footwork in the paint. He’s long and wiry and runs the floor extremely well. Bediako is quick off his feet and has deceptive strength in the paint, which allows him to thrive in every regard from positioning to scoring to defending.
Instincts: Bediako has precise timing as a shot blocker and rim protector. His high basketball IQ and 7-foot-3 wingspan allow him to excel on both ends of the floor. As a scorer, he continues to progress with his back to the basket and has great touch around the rim.
Polish: Bediako is capable in the paint with great hands and feel on the offensive end. He stays within his capabilities and plays to his strengths. As a shot blocker, Bediako is masterful at staying patient and leaving his feet only when necessary. Bediako has the ability to serve as a one-man zone at times.
Bottom Line: Bediako is still developing on the offensive end but has continued to progress as a low-post scorer who can knock down jump shots. He thrives as a rebounder/defender and buys into that role, making him an effective piece that will be able to help a school right away.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:27 pm to mistaken4193
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Kofi leaning Kentucky is latest update sadly. Outside of that everything has been really quiet to be honest.
Latest Update
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:28 pm to CrimsonFever
That's great. It reads like his agent wrote it. And shite like that is why the whole fanbase, me included, was excited to see him play. That's the whole reason why i bothered watching so many damn Canada U19 games. I wanted to see the guy they are talking about in that scouting report.
But i didnt see anything like that. Especially not the positioning and not leaving his feet parts. He got outrebounded by smaller guys a lot and he had some really bad fouls against team USA where he jumped at pump fakes. He is a project and people are just in love with his size.
But i didnt see anything like that. Especially not the positioning and not leaving his feet parts. He got outrebounded by smaller guys a lot and he had some really bad fouls against team USA where he jumped at pump fakes. He is a project and people are just in love with his size.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:29 pm to mistaken4193
I have thought it was pretty obvious from when he entered the portal that he was going to Kentucky if he transferred. Illinois top two assistants got hired by Kentucky this offseason. They recruited Kofi, Ayo, and most of Illinois good players.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:35 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Did his agent rank him one spot away from being a five star and make Duke, Michigan, Ohio State ect, recruit him? He is a bit of a project but he has a really high ceiling and is very athletic for his size and a good shooter to be 7 feet.
Did Duke recruit Carl Engstrom? No. He was a 2 star and the 540th ranked player in his class, so as a lot of people in this thread have pointed out that is a horrible comparison, and has to be a troll.
Did Duke recruit Carl Engstrom? No. He was a 2 star and the 540th ranked player in his class, so as a lot of people in this thread have pointed out that is a horrible comparison, and has to be a troll.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:05 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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And I'm not a guy who is overly critical of players.
Could have fooled me. I'm going to trust the coaches. They have known Bediako for a few years, and I suspect they know what they are doing in recruiting.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:08 pm to CrimsonFever
I don't understand why this guy doesn't get that these U19 games are a SHITTY way to evaluate a player. Over and over again, kids who are extremely good basketball players go to these all-star type games and there's no cohesiveness, no team chemistry, very little strategy and organization, etc. and they stink it up. It's basically 5 guys playing little more than a talented pick up game. And plenty of guys don't do well in those environments. Give it up, dude. Just admit you need to leave Bediako's evaluation open for additional data points.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:08 pm to CrimsonFever
Great. So we are strictly going off star gazing, and in the year where scouts couldnt really go see anybody play bc of covid?
Because if we look at the actual games, he didnt start for his high school and he didnt start for his country's U-19 team. So why the hell does anybody think he's gonna start for Alabama in a year when we have one of our best rosters in a long time?
Look im tired of beating this drum. But I've been told im trolling and that my opinion is fricking stupid. But the only rebuttal i hear is "but he's a 4 star" and that's not enough to change my mind. I've only been watching this guy in particular because he's the only guy playing games we can watch. We are all paying close attention to the roster right now and I dont see Bediako as a guy ready to be a contributor. In a few more months, we'll all find out.
Because if we look at the actual games, he didnt start for his high school and he didnt start for his country's U-19 team. So why the hell does anybody think he's gonna start for Alabama in a year when we have one of our best rosters in a long time?
Look im tired of beating this drum. But I've been told im trolling and that my opinion is fricking stupid. But the only rebuttal i hear is "but he's a 4 star" and that's not enough to change my mind. I've only been watching this guy in particular because he's the only guy playing games we can watch. We are all paying close attention to the roster right now and I dont see Bediako as a guy ready to be a contributor. In a few more months, we'll all find out.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:11 pm to mistaken4193
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I’m pretty confident we land him and Jaden Bradley.
2022 could be our GOAT class
Those two plus Nick Smith and Rodney Rice really would be a GOAT class, definitely on the level of the class that just graduated, which included Sexton. And we likely have a shot at Brandon Miller from Tennessee.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:13 pm to phil4bama
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U19 games are a SHITTY way to evaluate a player
Are highlight tapes a better way? Maybe one clip of a guy in a random gym? Recruiting rankings are the gospel?
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:24 pm to CrimsonFever
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I have thought it was pretty obvious from when he entered the portal that he was going to Kentucky if he transferred
Coach Cal did not rehire Orlando Antigua this year or before at Memphis and Kentucky to draw up plays. He is an old school recruiter who knows all the tricks of the trade. And now that the NCAA is totally emasculted, Caliperi can bring him back without any worries about recruiting violations. How did Illinois build that great team last year? You are absolutely right. Antigua got Kofi to Illinoius, and is simply bringing him with him to Kentucky. As Omar Little in "The Wire" said in his court testimony: "I got a shotgun. You got a briefcase. It's all in the game."
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:26 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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