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Thoughts on the potential of a legitimate 2 QB system?
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:52 am
I know in a perfect world everyone would like to see Hurts make a big improvement in the passing game, easily win the job, and have Tua redshirt while Jalen gets through the year unscathed.
Here's the thing though. We'll only have three scholarship quarterbacks next year and two of them will be true freshmen. At the very least one will need some mop up action in the event Hurts goes down. If Tua is better than Jones, I think he'll be that guy. I don't see this situation being similar to 2009 where AJ was the "long term backup" in the event Greg went down, because Star Jackson was already on campus and familiar with the offense.
Personally I think that right now Tua is a more natural passer than Hurts, and if he can grasp the mental side quickly then he is going to push him. It seems like the last few quarterback battles have come down to who the players want under center. That's going to be Jalen, but I really won't be terribly surprised at a 70/30 split in the event that Tua is as good as advertised and Hurts doesn't progress like we all hope.
What do y'all think? I don't see any way that Tua just beats Jalen outright because the players trust Jalen, but I could see a scenario where Tua plays early and often due to his throwing ability that Jalen doesn't seem to have yet. Can't wait for A-day, we'll get to see them head-to-head
Eta: think 2006 Florida. Jalen = Tebow and Tua = Leak from a scheme standpoint, but a closer snap count
Here's the thing though. We'll only have three scholarship quarterbacks next year and two of them will be true freshmen. At the very least one will need some mop up action in the event Hurts goes down. If Tua is better than Jones, I think he'll be that guy. I don't see this situation being similar to 2009 where AJ was the "long term backup" in the event Greg went down, because Star Jackson was already on campus and familiar with the offense.
Personally I think that right now Tua is a more natural passer than Hurts, and if he can grasp the mental side quickly then he is going to push him. It seems like the last few quarterback battles have come down to who the players want under center. That's going to be Jalen, but I really won't be terribly surprised at a 70/30 split in the event that Tua is as good as advertised and Hurts doesn't progress like we all hope.
What do y'all think? I don't see any way that Tua just beats Jalen outright because the players trust Jalen, but I could see a scenario where Tua plays early and often due to his throwing ability that Jalen doesn't seem to have yet. Can't wait for A-day, we'll get to see them head-to-head
Eta: think 2006 Florida. Jalen = Tebow and Tua = Leak from a scheme standpoint, but a closer snap count
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:53 am
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:02 am to Riseupfromtherubble
We haven't seen tua passing against college defenses yet, but he does seem to be better than hurts was coming out of high school as a passer. He's slower on the ground but a powerful runner. It really is a sucky situation, have to burn a true freshman's red shirt year when your main guy is a true sophomore. Maybe we will beat the brakes off everyone so bad next year with jalen they can just put Montana Murphy in as backup for mop up, then put tua in as backup as a redshirt freshman with hurts a junior. Here's to dreaming. Or tua wins the job with his passing in the spring, hurts would probably do a Bateman loophole transfer, and we only have 2 scholarship QBs both true freshmen. Sure wish one of the other guys had stayed
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:05 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I don't know if it would work or not, but I don't think Saban would do a two QB system. I think he cares too much about the leadership and consistency of his QB to play two guys consistently
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:07 am to TomRollTideRitter
He did it at LSU.
From all reports Tua is a natural leader. It's going to depend on how he performs and how the team embraces him..if he's as advertised though then the kid is a leader and the offensive players will be comfortable with either
I expect Jalen to improve and win the job running away, this is just food for thought
From all reports Tua is a natural leader. It's going to depend on how he performs and how the team embraces him..if he's as advertised though then the kid is a leader and the offensive players will be comfortable with either
I expect Jalen to improve and win the job running away, this is just food for thought
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:14 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Thoughts on the potential of a legitimate 2 QB system?
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Personally I think that right now Tua is a more natural passer than Hurts,
How on earth would you know this by only watching his Hawaii high school film?
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I don't see any way that Tua just beats Jalen outright because the players trust Jalen
Also, because Jalen just proved in his freshman year that he is capable of playing QB very well.
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Eta: think 2006 Florida. Jalen = Tebow and Tua = Leak from a scheme standpoint, but a closer snap count
Not a good comparison. Tebow came in as a wildcat fullback basically. There is no such dynamic between Hurts and Tua.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:20 am to Funky Tide 8
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How on earth would you know this by only watching his Hawaii high school film?
The football is the same size. It's not hard to compare their high school film when they're a year apart
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Not a good comparison. Tebow came in as a wildcat fullback basically. There is no such dynamic between Hurts and Tua.
Hurts was basically a wildcat QB from November on.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:28 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Hurts was basically a wildcat QB from November on.
Not true.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:31 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I think Saban was a different coach then. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be stunned if we ever play two QBs over the course of a season
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:37 am to TomRollTideRitter
I do know one thing, Saban will play tua if he's better, that's all there is to it
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:39 am to Funky Tide 8
I love Jalen, but he failed to hit 140 yards passing in 4 of our last 5 games with elite targets at his disposal
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:41 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I hate it, especially I the running part-time QB is the starter from last year. That sounds like a total disaster waiting to happen.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 12:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I love Jalen, but he failed to hit 140 yards passing in 4 of our last 5 games with elite targets at his disposal
You said from November on, and in November he had one 347 yard passing day, and one 286 yard passing day, both against SEC teams. I'm just saying that your statement was incorrect. In November/December/January he played 4 of best defenses in the country, so of course he was going to struggle passing the ball.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
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In November/December/January he played 4 of best defenses in the country, so of course he was going to struggle passing the ball.
We have to play Auburn every year, the SEC east foe to win the conference, and I'm pretty sure the playoff teams will nearly always have "great" defenses if you define great as our last 4 opponents this year. So of course he is going to struggle against those type teams? Then we're doomed every year. Deshaun Watson seemed to do ok.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 2:10 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Deshaun Watson seemed to do ok.
Hurts is no Watson. Sadly.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 6:00 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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We have to play Auburn every year,
He smoked Auburn.
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the SEC east foe to win the conference, and I'm pretty sure the playoff teams will nearly always have "great" defenses if you define great as our last 4 opponents this year. So of course he is going to struggle against those type teams?
Luckily 2016 was the only year where he will be an 18 year old, raw true freshman.
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Deshaun Watson seemed to do ok.
2016 was Watson's third season at Clemson, and his second year as a full time starter. Also, 2016 was his second time playing in a conference championship, playoff bowl game, and a NC game.
Surely you can see the difference between the two players and their respective stages in their careers?
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 1/20/17 at 7:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I am a complete believer in the philosophy that says if you have two starting QBs you don't have any starting QBs, so no thank you.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 7:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Not happening. We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts. Paid for it, moving on.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:11 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Bryant played two QBs every year from 1973 on.
It's why in 1979...his only undefeated team after 1966...he had a first year starting QB who actually was a third year veteran with significant playing time in big games in prior years.
It's why in 1979...his only undefeated team after 1966...he had a first year starting QB who actually was a third year veteran with significant playing time in big games in prior years.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:13 am to JustGetItRight
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I am a complete believer in the philosophy that says if you have two starting QBs you don't have any starting QBs, so no thank you.
You can have one starting QB but at the same time give meaningful snaps to the #2 every game. Coach Bryant did it for almost ten years...very successfully.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:21 am to nc14
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We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts.
Y'all have gotten beyond ridiculous with this shite
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