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Pros and cons of _________ based on the USF game
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:30 pm
OC play calling - what was good and what was bad?
QB strengths / weaknesses vs what USF was doing?
- Milroe?
- Simpson?
O-line play and issues vs what USF was doing?
What do these concerns and capabilities say against our next couple of opponents?
Please keep this discussion out of the shite slinging gutter. I will offer my thoughts later when I get off the road?
QB strengths / weaknesses vs what USF was doing?
- Milroe?
- Simpson?
O-line play and issues vs what USF was doing?
What do these concerns and capabilities say against our next couple of opponents?
Please keep this discussion out of the shite slinging gutter. I will offer my thoughts later when I get off the road?
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:41 pm to Tw1st3d
Most of the play calling was bad. Threw one screen to a rb in the 4th qtr. Threw 2 wide receiver screens early and didn't see that again. Absolutely no slants, had a tightend running over the middle when usf was blitzing...our slowest guy.
Feel like a game manager may have done better because they usually take what the defense is giving you.
Each game has a life of its own, can't really use the last game to judge the next but the lack of adjustments is concerning for up coming games.
Feel like a game manager may have done better because they usually take what the defense is giving you.
Each game has a life of its own, can't really use the last game to judge the next but the lack of adjustments is concerning for up coming games.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:25 pm to Tw1st3d
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O-line play and issues vs what USF was doing?
Gap penetration at LG/Center.
No push head-up at LG.
No push at RT until the last 3 drives (after changing out the RT).
LG not able to pick up twists that came to him.
RT could not handle an outside edge speed rush.
RT could not handle the DT when hisstepped out then did a cross-over to inside rush.
DT's pinch down and blitz off the edge.
The inside penetration killed our Inside zone.
Pinch with tight edge blitz killed the Outside zone.
LT/LG/Center were not slide stepping together. With that disconnect there was no way to run consistantly to the left.
RT had no push and no punch to slow a cross-over rush - That killed the Outside Zone to the right.
When they finally got some push after the RT change out, the outside zone to the right started working.
For most of the game, Alabama had no real ground game. That made the OL sitting ducks for the passing down blitz packages.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:17 pm to Tw1st3d
I know Formby had his problems but Vandermark ….. just not sure what the staff sees in him. Hope Montgomery or another young guy gets a shot there if we have to piece together a line . I don’t like to bash players but he lacks quickness and gets no push and didn’t seem eager to maul someone in the plays I focused on him. Cut the cord with DIrectTv and didn’t know how to record on YTTV yet so didn’t tape game
maybe he will improve . Hope so
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:30 pm to Tw1st3d
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OC play calling
Perfect example of whatwas wrong with the play calling on Saturday...
Milroe fumble near the goal line.
OC got to cute with his call. QB has not been under center all game. D interior has been getting penetration all game.
So let's call a play to get the QB as close to the penetration as possible so he can get a snap transfer in a way he has not done much so the ball (which was snapped perfectly) can squrt between the QB's hands. Then let's have the QB do a quick pivot and fool the D with a tight-to-the line jet sweep to get on the edge. When interior penetration will blow it up and a certain hard pinch from the edge will also blow it up.
In that game, a tight-to-the LoS jet sweep is a horiible call anywhere on the field. A pop-pass sweep would be a little better out on the field. but a deep swing toss or hand-off speed sweep to get the WR away from the pinch and penetration is a much better choice.
The D is shuttling down your between the tackles run game. The D is in the QB's lap with pinching and penetration. The answer is getting the ball quickly on the edge with an HB lead or quick short/perimeter passing or tunnel screens. Put the ball where they are not - should not be a hard choice to make in calling plays.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:55 pm to Tw1st3d
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QB strengths / weaknesses vs what USF was doing?
- Milroe?
- Simpson?
Milroe strength - strait line speed / deep open throws
Milroe weakness - making quick choices with DL/blitz in his lap or at his legs. His eyes go down (so would mine). / reading the D and finding the blitz or knowing when it is a fake blitz by safety position before the snap. / short to intermediate throws over the middle (he usually throws high) / slant passes near the hash / making adjustments at the LoS - The USF DC exploited every one of those weaknesses on Saturday.
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SImpson Strengths - we have not seen enough of him to truely know. He has good speed (4.6) but not as fast as Milroe. He is better than Milroe on the edge with traffic. He is good at reading the edge in a give pull option. I have no clue how good or bad he may be at RPO. He appears to have pretty good touch on shorter passes and a good high release for over the middle passes. But again, we have not seen enough of him under fire to know if his strength will stand up when the heat is on.
Simpson weeknesses - exerience under fire (unknown comodity) Reading the D under fire (unknown comodity). Making adjustments at the LoS (unknown comodity)
My suggestion, give Simpson some time under fire to see what he can do. Milroe is the starter but rotate Simpson in one series a 1/4 to see what he does. If he take the bull by the horns, give him more. If he catches the horns like a deer in the headlights, give him less.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 10:55 pm to Tw1st3d
Watched the film over again. What seems to have contributed to Milroe's fumble was the fact he was momentarily distracted by Law's hesitation to go in motion. When Milroe moves his right foot back Law is standing still and looking in the opposite direction. Milroe kicks his foot back again then Law moves.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:28 am to Tw1st3d
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My suggestion, give Simpson some time under fire to see what he can do. Milroe is the starter but rotate Simpson in one series a 1/4 to see what he does. If he take the bull by the horns, give him more. If he catches the horns like a deer in the headlights, give him less.
This is the only way it can go. Milroe will feel the pressure and improve or Simpson will surpass him. It’s simple and effective. We did this in the Military all the time. The team will sss first hand what happened and be on board whichever direction it goes.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 2:53 am to Tw1st3d
Play calling didn’t impress me, I get that the OL was a patchwork and was a problem the whole game, but a few screens would seem to slow that down a bit.
I’m not sure how many penalties 75 had, but that may be the worst game in that regard I’ve ever seen a player have. I completely get you have to show confidence in a guy to correct and get better, but coming out of the half someone else should have been there.
I hope the kid has a great career, but he just wasn’t ready.
I’d like to point out USF got a lot of flags thrown at them as well, but theirs didn’t seem to be as costly. Either the refs were told to call it tight, or they were just going to throw a flag at everyone. Someone should definitely keep an eye on that crew
I’m not sure how many penalties 75 had, but that may be the worst game in that regard I’ve ever seen a player have. I completely get you have to show confidence in a guy to correct and get better, but coming out of the half someone else should have been there.
I hope the kid has a great career, but he just wasn’t ready.
I’d like to point out USF got a lot of flags thrown at them as well, but theirs didn’t seem to be as costly. Either the refs were told to call it tight, or they were just going to throw a flag at everyone. Someone should definitely keep an eye on that crew
Posted on 9/9/24 at 8:26 am to Tw1st3d
This is an interesting perspective and I agree with you. Our offensive problems were not all on Jalen but he plays a part in it. Let’s give Ty some experience to see what we really have with him.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 8:52 am to BFANLC
I'm not worried. The line was handcuffed and the playcalling wasn't very good. My guess is the staff was just trying to have them work through it.
It's hard to have an effective offense when you can't block. The plan to move around the offensive line didn't work. Once they put Prichett in they ran all over USF.
The defense was fine. Only have up 1 TD. The QB runs were a bit of an issue, but I'm not sure Bama will face anyone that can do that as effectively from here on out. The QB missed some easy throws that will cause problems down the road if they don't get fixed, but I expect it to.
It's hard to have an effective offense when you can't block. The plan to move around the offensive line didn't work. Once they put Prichett in they ran all over USF.
The defense was fine. Only have up 1 TD. The QB runs were a bit of an issue, but I'm not sure Bama will face anyone that can do that as effectively from here on out. The QB missed some easy throws that will cause problems down the road if they don't get fixed, but I expect it to.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 10:10 am to Tw1st3d
From a playcalling standpoint nothing really stood out as good.
As a disclaimer, it's difficult to get anything going when you're giving up immediate pressure, but you can't just "stick to the plan" if the plan isn't working- or in this case the other teams plan is tailor made to combat yours.
If you know they're running a zero blitz, it's fine to have 1 guy (Williams) running vertically, but you've got to have a mesh or flat concept in the play or you're asking for negative play. The rush was getting home before the receivers were into their routes most of the night. You can do several things to mitigate that.
You can move the pocket by design- As poorly as Formby played there were times where he actually created a pocket for Jalen, but Jalen scrambled right and ran right into the rusher.
You can audible to a max protect when you see the blitz and hope your guy beats their guy.
You can invite the blitz and throw screens behind it. Traditional RB screens, tunnel screens, TE screens- they were vacating the middle section of the field often and we couldn't punish them for it because we were running seams and verticals or deep digs.
You can spread them out and force them to defend the perimeter. We could have jet sweeped and orbit motioned them to death saturday night and it just wasn't called.
That looked like a Tommy Rees offense Saturday night. For all of BOB's faults, I thought the one thing he was good at was that if an opponent was adamant about taking something away, he would call plays over and over and over that attacked the weakness left behind. When Brian Robinson ran for a million yards against Ole Miss it's because they repeatedly put 6 guys in the box to stop the homerun, and we just turned around and handed the ball off and went right down the field 8 yards at a time. We didn't try to throw deep against a deep cover 2 shell, we just turned around and handed it off and beat them to death. There just weren't any in game adjustments Saturday night. We stuck to the game plan. They eventually wore down, but it was really playing with fire and asking a lot of the defense. What happens if they hit on any of those 3 wide open bombs that they missed?
Deboer sort of hinted at this in the offseason- but Jalen has a tendency to resort to what he's good at. It won us a lot of games last year, but it's going to be difficult to bring home a trophy if his options are run or throw it deep (his stregnths). I'd hoped to see some improvements on his weaknesses, which would really make him an elite QB
As a disclaimer, it's difficult to get anything going when you're giving up immediate pressure, but you can't just "stick to the plan" if the plan isn't working- or in this case the other teams plan is tailor made to combat yours.
If you know they're running a zero blitz, it's fine to have 1 guy (Williams) running vertically, but you've got to have a mesh or flat concept in the play or you're asking for negative play. The rush was getting home before the receivers were into their routes most of the night. You can do several things to mitigate that.
You can move the pocket by design- As poorly as Formby played there were times where he actually created a pocket for Jalen, but Jalen scrambled right and ran right into the rusher.
You can audible to a max protect when you see the blitz and hope your guy beats their guy.
You can invite the blitz and throw screens behind it. Traditional RB screens, tunnel screens, TE screens- they were vacating the middle section of the field often and we couldn't punish them for it because we were running seams and verticals or deep digs.
You can spread them out and force them to defend the perimeter. We could have jet sweeped and orbit motioned them to death saturday night and it just wasn't called.
That looked like a Tommy Rees offense Saturday night. For all of BOB's faults, I thought the one thing he was good at was that if an opponent was adamant about taking something away, he would call plays over and over and over that attacked the weakness left behind. When Brian Robinson ran for a million yards against Ole Miss it's because they repeatedly put 6 guys in the box to stop the homerun, and we just turned around and handed the ball off and went right down the field 8 yards at a time. We didn't try to throw deep against a deep cover 2 shell, we just turned around and handed it off and beat them to death. There just weren't any in game adjustments Saturday night. We stuck to the game plan. They eventually wore down, but it was really playing with fire and asking a lot of the defense. What happens if they hit on any of those 3 wide open bombs that they missed?
Deboer sort of hinted at this in the offseason- but Jalen has a tendency to resort to what he's good at. It won us a lot of games last year, but it's going to be difficult to bring home a trophy if his options are run or throw it deep (his stregnths). I'd hoped to see some improvements on his weaknesses, which would really make him an elite QB
Posted on 9/9/24 at 10:25 am to Tw1st3d
Pros - I thought the defensive line played pretty well, particularly Tim Keenan.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 10:49 am to JIB
I would like to see the coaches honestly say what the plan was. It almost seems like they were being stubborn to a fault. Once they put in Pritchett and ran a short route to Ryan Williams it was all over.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 10:53 am to JIB
I would like to see the coaches honestly say what the plan was. It almost seems like they were being stubborn to a fault. Once they put in Pritchett and ran a short route to Ryan Williams it was all over.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:44 pm to Tw1st3d
Pros:
Home run hitting DB'S
Home run hitting WR's
Milroe's legs and arm are weapons
Jardon Roberts blocking
Team still played tough through alot adversity
Cons:
RT struggles and OL as a whole, but hoping issues get fixed with Proctor back.
OC - Where are the slants and screens to help vs the blitz? Hot routes need to be added immediately
Milroe - appreciate him keeping eyes downfield, but needs to look to run more vs a team blitzing like that.
Tackling. Way to many missed tackles
Home run hitting DB'S
Home run hitting WR's
Milroe's legs and arm are weapons
Jardon Roberts blocking
Team still played tough through alot adversity
Cons:
RT struggles and OL as a whole, but hoping issues get fixed with Proctor back.
OC - Where are the slants and screens to help vs the blitz? Hot routes need to be added immediately
Milroe - appreciate him keeping eyes downfield, but needs to look to run more vs a team blitzing like that.
Tackling. Way to many missed tackles
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