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re: Pete Folding
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:59 am to Kcstills17
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:59 am to Kcstills17
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I said that we've done. That game pisses me off more than any other because yeah obviously we lost big. But that was our best offense ever at the time and we got locked down in our matchup against an elite defense. Can't comprehend it when every elite offense our good defenses played shredded us
2009 vs Texas we shut them down first half then went on cruise control. 2016 (in a losing effort) we shut down Clemson until we ran out of gas, and still held them under 40 total.
2016 good offenses we shut down:
USC (Rose Bowl Champs, finished #3) - held to 6 points.
Washington (Pac 12 Champs, CFP playoff game, finished #4) - held to 7 points
Clemson - held to 14 points through 3 quarters, ran out of gas because the offense turned in a lame duck playoff performance.
ETA: but none of this is the main point. I am not looking to completely shut down elite offenses. But holding a great offense to say 35 points isn't unreasonable to ask for, given bama's talent level.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:04 pm to Sam5
I agree with you on DJ Dale and Moses, those two have not played well at all. DJ Dale might be one of the worst defensive lineman I've ever seen under Saban.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:11 pm to biclops
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Looks great against bad offenses, completely folds against a competent offense.
Yeah. Kind of like 2016 when Pruitt was completely inept against Freeze and Dabo.
This has been going on more or less since 2012.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:13 pm to Evolved Simian
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Pruitt was completely inept against Freeze and Dabo.
Pruitt was just fine against Dabo. Held them to 14 points through 3 quarters and finally the D ran out of gas because the offense strung together about 15 3&outs.
Agreed about the Ole Miss game though.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:15 pm to biclops
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Held them to 14 points through 3 quarters
Unfortunately, the game is 4 quarters and Bama gave up 35.
Auburn held them to 19.
NC State held them to 17 in regulation.
Georgia Tech held them to 26.
Even TROY held them to 30.
We played well for a while, but they still got their points. This has been going on for a while.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:17 pm to Evolved Simian
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The game is 4 quarters and Bama gave up 35.
It is also a team game. The defense ran out of gas because the offense got a ton of 3 and outs.
I'm not saying they didn't make any mistakes, but (1) they did about as well as anyone could have expected given how the offense played and (2) 35 is still a good bit less than 46.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:18 pm to Evolved Simian
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Yeah. Kind of like 2016 when Pruitt was completely inept against Freeze and Dabo.
Not this shite again. The defense folded in 2016 against Clemson because they were worn out. Clemson had 7 points through 2.5 quarters. The punted the more times in that game then they did in 2 years. And had the 2nd lowest YPP of their season. The Bama offense went 3 and out 9 straight drives in a row. They were 0/12 on 3rd down at one point. Had two drives start inside Clemson territory thanks to turnovers forced by the defense, yet came away with negative 9 yards and 3 points. That defense held on as long as any defense could have against an elite offense given that they had barely any rest in between drives thanks to Bama’s offense. The average Bama drive lasted like 1.5 minutes! That’s ridiculous!
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:20 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Not this shite again. The defense folded in 2016 against Clemson because they were worn out. Clemson had 7 points through 2.5 quarters. The punted the more times in that game then they did in 2 years. And had the 2nd lowest YPP of their season. The Bama offense went 3 and out 9 straight drives in a row. They were 0/12 on 3rd down at one point. Had two drives start inside Clemson territory thanks to turnovers forced by the defense, yet came away with negative 9 yards and 3 points. That defense held on as long as any defense could have against an elite offense given that they had barely any rest in between drives thanks to Bama’s offense. The average Bama drive lasted like 2 minutes.
Well said.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:31 pm to East Coast Band
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Lets just look at Georgia this year.
Just before Florida, they limited Kentucky to 3 points.
Then Trask torched them for 470 and 4 TDs.
When a team has a grest QB, great receivers, and a good play caller like Mullen, they will score on just about anyone.
Florida played 5 teams that were .500 or better this season.
They put:
514 yards on Mizzou
571 yards on Georgia
609 yards on LSU (without Pitts playing)
402 yards on Texas A&M
462 yards on Alabama
Folks are acting like what they did last night was an abnormality but the fact is Florida, like Alabama, has a highly productive offense.
They lit everyone up.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:33 pm to bamatide07
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I think that Florida is the most dangerous offense in the country. They have no weaknesses. Play makers everywhere.
I don't know why Mullen didn't throw to Pitts and/or at Moses on every single play. Every. Single. Play.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:45 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The defense folded in 2016 against Clemson because they were worn out.
This is just a BS excuse. It's not Sark's fault that the D gave up 28 points in the 2nd half. It's not Hurts' fault, and it's not Cochran's fault.
If Pruitt can't rotate one of the deepest defenses in CFB history to keep them fresh, that was on him. He's a great DC, and I'd like to have him back someday, but he didn't do his job that day.
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The Bama offense went 3 and out 9 straight drives
This is an outright lie. We only had 8 possessions total in the second half, and the 1st, 4th, and 8th were scoring drives.
We had a 4 and out, and two 3 and outs in a row. And in between them, Clemson had drives of 1:44 and 1:24.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:46 pm to JustGetItRight
571 yards? But, but, but, Kirdby is awesome and Golding succccks.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:47 pm to Evolved Simian
1.) Sark was the oc for that game.
2.) Bama quit running the ball once Bo went down. Our loss was reminiscent of how the Falcons lost the SB against the Patriots.
2.) Bama quit running the ball once Bo went down. Our loss was reminiscent of how the Falcons lost the SB against the Patriots.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:49 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Sark
True. My mistake. The point is that he put up 31 points against a great defense. That should have been enough to win that game, even without Bo.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
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1.) Sark was the oc for that game.
2.) Bama quit running the ball once Bo went down
Whats crazy is Stark and kiffin made the same mistake.
But I think Stark knows what Najee gives him and still has B.Robinson to run inside to keep, play action in play.That's why OSU only chance against Clemson is to pound the rock and play-action shots in Clemson territory only.I expect Clemson to win because fields has not played well enough of late.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 12:56 pm to Evolved Simian
Seven of those points came because Clemson completely forgot Howard existed for one play. Sark called an absolutely awful game. Hurts was struggling to throw the ball for a few games now, but what did he have Hurts do? Throw the ball 31 times. He stopped running the ball much when Bo went down. Which makes no sense since we still had Harris and Jacobs in the backfield. Yet they combined for a whopping 7 carries. That’s absolutely inexcusable. Basically every play for a period of time was Hurts dropping back and rolling out to throw it out of bounds so the drives lasted barely a minute!
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:08 pm to Evolved Simian
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This is just a BS excuse. It's not Sark's fault that the D gave up 28 points in the 2nd half. It's not Hurts' fault, and it's not Cochran's fault.
Because the defense got worn out. Like I said the average drive lasted 1.5 minutes!
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This is an outright lie. We only had 8 possessions total in the second half, and the 1st, 4th, and 8th were scoring drives. We had a 4 and out, and two 3 and outs in a row. And in between them, Clemson had drives of 1:44 and 1:24.
Yes I’m wrong. They had 8 three-and-out drives. They punted 12 times. They had two drives inside Clemson territory thanks to the defense that resulted in a quick 3 plays each. Totaling NEGATIVE 9 yards and just 3 points. The defense gave the offense repeated chances to put the game away.
But my point is the defense had hardly any rest. How’s that not obvious? How do you expect a defense to get any rest when the average drive is 1.5 min? They were rotating guys just like they had all season long. Out of the 16 drives, they had 5 that lasted about 1 min or less, 2 drives that lasted 2 min or more, and the longest drive by far was 3:56. Look at this recent game. This team was able to have 5 drives that last longer then that. Hell if the average drive had lasted just a few seconds longer Clemson, wouldn’t have had time in the end. Is that too much to ask for? Just a few seconds more per drive. Just one more run play per drive could have ended it.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:26 pm to biclops
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P.S. I didn't expect to "shut down" UF. But holding them under 40 isn't a terribly big ask.
Tennessee held them to 31 and UT has virtually no offense.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:28 pm to TS1926
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Tennessee held them to 31 and UT has virtually no offense.
Florida fans did keep saying that Mullen was spending just as much time every week preparing for Bama as much as he was of the opposing teams. It wouldn’t surprise me. Clemson probably did something similar in 2018.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:31 pm to LovetheLord
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Which Alabama defensive coordinator in the past 7 or so years hasn’t folded against good offenses? We’ve been a third and long nightmare for years.
2016 was great but the loss of Eddie near the end of the season plus our offensive ineptitude killed us against Clemson. If you took the 2016 defense and combined it with 2020 offense, no one in college football would come close.
On the other hand, if you took the 2016 offense and put it with the 2020 defense, well...yikes! Let’s just say, not that good.
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