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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:24 am to Evolved Simian
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:24 am to Evolved Simian
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You are really missing the point of his posts. It's not about a sudden return to normalcy. He's saying that this is a novel virus. There is no cure. There is no proven treatment. There are only two ways it will ever end. 1. You get a vaccine (which is at least a year away, if it is even possible, or 2. Develop herd immunity.
My point is regarding reopening the economy regardless of flattening the curve or a vaccine. Both of those are irrelevant as they are an outside variable that does affect but will not be a main driver. As long as schools are out and people do not have viable/feasible childcare options so the workforce which is needed to operate these types of businesses will be severely diminished.
The majority or early/headstart programs are run by the county and state and are on the same school schedule. Again while these stay closed parent(s) are not going to return to work if they do not have a viable option for child care. If businesses start to reopen the protection many of these employees have to stay home with children like unemployment and/or stimulus could disappear. Especially in the south which are right to work states. The employer has to sign off for an employee to receive unemployment. Which the owner has to pay for through unemployment insurance.
Example:Said owner reopens business, employee says can not come to work because kids are out of school and no childcare and now owner has to hire someone else. Owner no long pays or agrees for former employee to get unemployment. Former employee no longer receiving any type of income nor has a job anymore. Now people who spend at local businesses no longer have income to support the local business so local business can no longer sustain. Lays off new employee and closing down business because economy was reopened and the politicians no longer see the need to support businesses with stimulus money.
I have seen numbers that say over 40% of the people filing for unemployment are due to caring for their children because the schools were closed. So again vaccine, flattening the curve, or whatever is not going to help save businesses if they open at the beginning of May.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:44 am to TideWarrior
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The employer has to sign off for an employee to receive unemployment. Which the owner has to pay for through unemployment insurance.
No.
Employers cannot deny someone unemployment (at least not in Alabama). The state Department of Labor makes the eligibility determination.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:49 am to TideWarrior
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Some small businesses that obtained a highly-coveted government loan say they won’t be able to use it to bring all their laid-off workers back, even though that is exactly what the program was designed to do.
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To get the loans forgiven, companies need to spend 75% on payroll within eight weeks of receiving the money. The other 25% can be spent on rent, utilities, and mortgage payments.
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Many of the small companies that were able to obtain a loan are having second thoughts and a few plan to return the money. Others will use what they can on rent and utilities, and will use some to rehire a portion of their laid-off staff. But most are unsure they will be able to reopen eight weeks from now. They see little point in rehiring all their workers, paying them to do little or nothing, and then potentially laying them off again if business remains weak two months from now.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:49 am to JustGetItRight
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No.
Employers cannot deny someone unemployment (at least not in Alabama). The state Department of Labor makes the eligibility determination.
Provide link please as I am not familiar with AL labor laws.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:51 am to TideWarrior
Another issue employers are facing.
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Also, the generous unemployment aid that was also included in the government’s relief package has made it more difficult to rehire. Many workers are making more with unemployment checks, which now include a $600 weekly benefit from the federal government.
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Walsh, who received a $280,000 loan from the SBA, said that he is reluctant to push his employees to return to work because, under unemployment benefit rules, they could lose their weekly checks if they turn down potential jobs.
“That’s just putting me as the employer in a really difficult position,” Walsh said. He pays at least $17 an hour, with benefits, but his former employees are getting the equivalent of roughly $25 an hour from unemployment.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:55 am to TideWarrior
According to the state website AL is the same as here.
Right now the Federal government is providing money for states to fund unemployment which included people staying with their children but that can easily be removed and make someone not eligible.
So AL just like NC and every other state that is right to work the state does determine it but they do not automatic qualify a person. Once they contact former employer and said employer said it was the employees fault that employee will not receive benefits.
AL considers absences from work as misconduct which makes you ineligible to receive benefits.
Also a requirement to receive benefits is able to work and seek work. If having to stay home with children you will be unable in most cases to do either.
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In Alabama, the Department of Labor (DOL) handles unemployment benefits and determines eligibility on a case-by-case basis.
Applicants must meet the following three eligibility requirements in order to collect unemployment benefits in Alabama:
• You must have earned at least a minimum amount in wages before you were unemployed.
• You must be unemployed through no fault of your own, as defined by Alabama law.
• You must be able and available to work, and you must be actively seeking employment.
Alabama Unemployment Eligibility: Reasons for Unemployment
In Alabama, as in other states, you must be out of work through no fault of your own to qualify for unemployment benefits.
Right now the Federal government is providing money for states to fund unemployment which included people staying with their children but that can easily be removed and make someone not eligible.
So AL just like NC and every other state that is right to work the state does determine it but they do not automatic qualify a person. Once they contact former employer and said employer said it was the employees fault that employee will not receive benefits.
AL considers absences from work as misconduct which makes you ineligible to receive benefits.
Also a requirement to receive benefits is able to work and seek work. If having to stay home with children you will be unable in most cases to do either.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:00 am to TideWarrior
Alabama unemployment FAQ
They will contact the former employer(s) to verify the information submitted by the applicant and the employer can appeal a finding that the employee is eligible.
At least when I was a mayor they are VERY liberal in favor of the employee. We had a police dispatcher leave us in good standing to work at a casino. After 2 weeks she quit that job because she couldn't take the cigarette smoke (like who woulda thought a casino is smokey
). She filed. They granted. Since she only worked there a couple of months they assessed most of the cost to us. We contested - she quit us. We lost.
ETA - just saw your reply and my example fits perfectly. The previous employer doesn't make that determination. It is made by the department of Labor. The only say the employer gets is if they want to fight it - during which time the unemployed is still getting paid.
They will contact the former employer(s) to verify the information submitted by the applicant and the employer can appeal a finding that the employee is eligible.
At least when I was a mayor they are VERY liberal in favor of the employee. We had a police dispatcher leave us in good standing to work at a casino. After 2 weeks she quit that job because she couldn't take the cigarette smoke (like who woulda thought a casino is smokey
). She filed. They granted. Since she only worked there a couple of months they assessed most of the cost to us. We contested - she quit us. We lost. ETA - just saw your reply and my example fits perfectly. The previous employer doesn't make that determination. It is made by the department of Labor. The only say the employer gets is if they want to fight it - during which time the unemployed is still getting paid.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:44 am to JustGetItRight
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The only say the employer gets is if they want to fight it - during which time the unemployed is still getting paid.
According to that link that is incorrect.
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A form will be sent to your most recent employer informing them you have filed for unemployment benefits. Your ex-employer will fill in the form regarding your performance in your last job. The application will then be reviewed by the department and only if the application meets the criteria will the department give the go-ahead for you to receive unemployment benefits.
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The Alabama Department Of Labor will conduct a thorough background check by consulting your previous employer.
Once they contact the employer and get the form(all the info) you are correct as the unemployment will make the decision. But not until they have made sure the former employee is eligible. Meaning former employee will not get paid until the decision is made. After said decision either party can appeal the outcome.
They will if determine eligible get any money due even back pay while the case was being determined. Not sure if that is what you meant if I misunderstood. So if former employee applies on May 1 but are not determined eligible until May 21 they will get paid starting on May 1. But they will not receive any money until May 21 once they become eligible.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:58 am to TideWarrior
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Meaning former employee will not get paid until the decision is made.
This is correct but as I said from experience this decision is made rapidly (in normal times) and before the contest is heard.
Both as mayor and then in my career state job, we contested a ton of claims. We won exactly one - and he had to pay back the money he'd been getting during that appeal process.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:01 am to JustGetItRight
I would hope in many cases they would move more quickly and if not for right to work states the process would be easier and cleaner. But I prefer a right to work state over a union state so it is what it is..
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:07 am to TideWarrior
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Missouri is suing China for the coronavirus pandemic.
The lawsuit was filed in federal court by the state's top lawyer. It alleges Chinese officials are “responsible for the enormous death, suffering, and economic losses they inflicted on the world, including Missourians.”
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:08 am to TideWarrior
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Target and Amazon workers are planning mass 'Sickouts' over coronavirus safety concerns. Employees are demanding more safety measures. Amazon workers have a sickout planned for Friday, and Target workers have a sickout planned for May 1.
Worker's group Athena said there are at least 130 warehouses where Amazon employees have contracted COVID-19.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:08 am to TideWarrior
I wish them the best of luck with that lawsuit.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:09 am to TideWarrior
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Employers cannot deny someone unemployment (at least not in Alabama). The state Department of Labor makes the eligibility determination.
Provide link please as I am not familiar with AL labor laws.
I don't know the law but we had an employee who just stopped showing up and was granted his unemployment payments. We had filled out the proper paperwork with the fact he just left. We even said he could come back to his job but he still won.
He had a habit of working half the time and showing up on our doorstep on Saturday asking for an advance the whole time he "worked." So it seems you cannot deny them their entitlements.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:17 am to TideWarrior
https://labor.alabama.gov/docs/guides/uc_brr.pdf
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:12 pm to CrimsonShadow
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I don't know the law but we had an employee who just stopped showing up and was granted his unemployment payments. We had filled out the proper paperwork with the fact he just left. We even said he could come back to his job but he still won.
He had a habit of working half the time and showing up on our doorstep on Saturday asking for an advance the whole time he "worked." So it seems you cannot deny them their entitlements.
Yep. Even the ones you win go back and reapply after a period of time (I think it was 8 weeks) and you can't contest it then.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:45 pm to JustGetItRight
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The previous employer doesn't make that determination. It is made by the department of Labor. The only say the employer gets is if they want to fight it - during which time the unemployed is still getting paid.
This. The employee is going to get unemployment. The employer will be given an opportunity to contest it, but unless the employer has a resignation letter, contesting it is almost always irrelevant.
My prior company just quit stopped contesting altogether, because even in the case of financial fraud, most states will still always rule in favor of the employee. We were in 22 states at that time.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:52 pm to Evolved Simian
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unless the employer has a resignation letter, contesting it is almost always irrelevant.
You end up losing most of those too.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:23 pm to JustGetItRight
Alabama test numbers shrouded in mystery
So, it seems that a number of labs only send the state reports on positive tests, even though they are required to send all results.
An example from a single hospital in Huntsville...
So, it seems that a number of labs only send the state reports on positive tests, even though they are required to send all results.
An example from a single hospital in Huntsville...
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According to the ADPH, there have been 2,611 total coronavirus tests in Madison with 202 confirmed cases, for a positive rate of 7.7 percent. However, data provided by Huntsville Hospital shows it has tested 5,986 people in Madison County with a positive rate of 3.27 percent. A total of 9,021 people have been tested across its service area with a positive rate of 3.44 percent.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:11 pm to Evolved Simian
LINK ]Doctors start giving second round of shots to volunteers in Seattle COVID-19 vaccine trial (USA Today)
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