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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:45 am to bamameister
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:45 am to bamameister
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Over the weekend, Smithfield bowed to growing pressure and said it would shutter the facility indefinitely in a bid to contain the spread — though Smithfield leaders cautioned that the action could severely disrupt the nation’s food supplies. The factory, like other food production facilities, had earlier been deemed essential by the federal government.
Smithfield is owned by a Chinese corporation.
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On May 29, 2013, WH Group, then known as Shuanghui Group or Shineway Group, the largest meat producer in China, announced the purchase of Smithfield Foods for $4.72 billion, a sale first suggested in 2009.
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:48 am to bamameister
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The hell with those numbers, talk to me about funerals they aren't going to, mass grave they aren't digging.
Is this a joke?
They were incinerating mass quantities of bodies in February.
Wuhan Residents Dismiss Official Coronavirus Death Toll: ‘The Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock’
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:48 am to TideSaint
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So you admit you prefer Communism over Capitalism.
Moving to China soon?
Wow, I do believe I've just been "Barnerize." You know, when you say anything negative about Alabama that breaks with company policy and someone calls you a "barner." Oh, the inhumanity of it all.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:52 am to Robot Santa
I think you are letting your personal biases show when you say it is about the collection plate. Nobody outside those congregations have any idea of their financial situations.
That their membership wanted the suit filed is probably spot on, but what’s wrong with that? Leaders of organizations are supposed to do what their members want them to do.
Whether or not they will follow social distancing guidelines voluntarily can’t be predicted with any certainty. Again, the prediction that they won’t given the total lack of evidence we have is based on assumptions. Don’t take this as a personal attack - we all do it.
I’d hope they do follow the guidelines but if they don’t again, how different is that than the people who don’t follow them when buying groceries at Wal-mart or fishing at the local river?
Edited to add - I am in Sunday School via Zoom right now. Will be in Facebook Live church at 10:30. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
That their membership wanted the suit filed is probably spot on, but what’s wrong with that? Leaders of organizations are supposed to do what their members want them to do.
Whether or not they will follow social distancing guidelines voluntarily can’t be predicted with any certainty. Again, the prediction that they won’t given the total lack of evidence we have is based on assumptions. Don’t take this as a personal attack - we all do it.
I’d hope they do follow the guidelines but if they don’t again, how different is that than the people who don’t follow them when buying groceries at Wal-mart or fishing at the local river?
Edited to add - I am in Sunday School via Zoom right now. Will be in Facebook Live church at 10:30. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:53 am to TideSaint
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Is this a joke?
They were incinerating mass quantities of bodies in February.
The reality is that it's very hard to hide an epidemic. Stopping a virus requires identifying and isolating cases of infection, and if you pretend to have done so when you really haven't, the uncaught cases will grow exponentially. Maintaining a hidden set of real statistics and another set for show would require the secret collusion of China's 2 million doctors and 3 million nurses — the kind of improbable cooperation that gives conspiracy theories a bad name.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:55 am to bamameister
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Wow, I do believe I've just been "Barnerize." You know, when you say anything negative about Alabama that breaks with company policy and someone calls you a "barner." Oh, the inhumanity of it all.
Um, what?
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To answer your question, the "method" that is most effective in stopping a plague would always be preferable in my case. Better your feelings get hurt than you lose your life.
The bigger point here, I don't really think it's possible to get there from here in this form of government to start with.
You didn't just say something negative about Capitalism. You said you PREFERRED another way of government.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:59 am to TideSaint
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You didn't just say something negative about Capitalism. You said you PREFERRED another way of government.
What I said is that you are an over reactionary. You are quick to label what you don't like to hear. As if the label somehow trumps the specifics of the argument. Your inability to frame my response correctly may very well indicate you are simply out of bullets.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:02 am to bamameister
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The hell with those numbers, talk to me about funerals they aren't going to, mass grave they aren't digging.
You’re missing the point. When people talk about lying numbers, they mean China was lying at the height of the outbreak. You don’t know if they already had all those things. China’s “finished” with it because it hit them 1-2 months before it did everyone else.
You’re seriously underestimating how much control the Chinese have over their people. They have one political party so it’s not like another party is going to call them out. They media is state controlled and they control the internet too. They cover up plenty of shite.
It’s also a large country, with giant population. Covering up 300K dying isn’t going to be as noticeable as you think.
You want to do what China did? That means you also have to accept living a totalitarian regime after it’s over. That’s the risk with having something like that. It’s worse in the long run compared to a plague. How do you they didn’t use the opportunity to kill political dissidents?
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:02 am to bamameister
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The reality is that it's very hard to hide an epidemic. Stopping a virus requires identifying and isolating cases of infection, and if you pretend to have done so when you really haven't, the uncaught cases will grow exponentially. Maintaining a hidden set of real statistics and another set for show would require the secret collusion of China's 2 million doctors and 3 million nurses — the kind of improbable cooperation that gives conspiracy theories a bad name.
At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus — here's what we know about them
Have you just started paying attention to this situation in the last 48 hours?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:08 am to bamameister
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What I said is that you are an over reactionary
What?
You made a statement. I acknowledged it and responded in kind. If you don't like it, then perhaps you're overreacting.
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You are quick to label what you don't like to hear. As if the label somehow trumps the specifics of the argument.
Your "argument" were your statements where you preferred the method that "hurts people's feelings over killing" them.
People aren't upset their feelings are being hurt. They are upset because their Constitutional Rights are being infringed upon.
You then stated you didn't feel our way of government was best suited to "get there from here."
Therefore, one would naturally assume you prefer the Communist form of government over Capitalism.
That's not like saying our offensive line is shitting the bed and someone calling you a Barner. That comparison is laughable and ridiculous.
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Your inability to frame my response correctly may very well indicate you are simply out of bullets.
Yeah, um, I don't think I'm the one running out of something here.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:11 am to TideSaint
Never thought we would have our very own Chinese sympathizer
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:16 am to 1BamaRTR
Maybe he's Chinese?
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:22 am to 1BamaRTR
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You’re missing the point. When people talk about lying numbers, they mean China was lying at the height of the outbreak. You don’t know if they already had all those things. China’s “finished” with it because it hit them 1-2 months before it did everyone else
Kind of hard to miss the point when it was the point I intended to make. Here's the skinny on China and big coronavirus coverup.
China is slowly and carefully returning to a semblance of normalcy. International News outlets say as much.
If China is merely pretending to have the coronavirus under control, the pathogen will rapidly surge as people resume interacting with their communities. Once international travel is restored, it will be quite obvious which countries do and don't have effective management of Covid-19.
But realistically, in the meantime, here's what we know is the truth:
Neither the Chinese government nor U.S. intelligence agencies are particularly trustworthy sources. So if they disagree about whether China's figures on its COVID-19 outbreak are accurate, I would suggest any sincere readers to look elsewhere.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:26 am to 1BamaRTR
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Never thought we would have our very own Chinese sympathizer
You don't have to "like" them to respect the "scoreboard."
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:28 am to bamameister
I would also like to point out it’s not just lying. They most definitely counted their deaths differently than the US and many European countries.
China is absurdly crowded. No matter how many temporary hospitals they build, they have much lower rate of doctors, nurses, and hospitals per capita than the US and other European countries. There’s no way their hospitals didn’t get more overwhelmed. Now you say quarantine worked but they didn’t quarantine the entire country right off the bat
If somebody died in China who may have had the virus but it was never confirmed, they’re not going to waste resources testing a dead body. They’d just mark it down as pneumonia or other and move on.
China is absurdly crowded. No matter how many temporary hospitals they build, they have much lower rate of doctors, nurses, and hospitals per capita than the US and other European countries. There’s no way their hospitals didn’t get more overwhelmed. Now you say quarantine worked but they didn’t quarantine the entire country right off the bat
If somebody died in China who may have had the virus but it was never confirmed, they’re not going to waste resources testing a dead body. They’d just mark it down as pneumonia or other and move on.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:29 am to JustGetItRight
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That their membership wanted the suit filed is probably spot on, but what’s wrong with that? Leaders of organizations are supposed to do what their members want them to do.
Leaders of organizations are supposed to do what is best for the organization as well as its members. If everything could be resolved by a democratic vote they would have no function.
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I’d hope they do follow the guidelines but if they don’t again, how different is that than the people who don’t follow them when buying groceries at Wal-mart or fishing at the local river?
It's very different. Passing someone in the aisle at Walmart or fishing with your friend is a one on one interaction. Sitting in church pews with 75 other people for an hour or more is more akin to a movie theater. The only way to maintain consistent social distancing in a movie theater would be to close every other row and keep 3 seats in between each patron. These churches aren't going to do that. You can say that's just me making assumptions, but so is my expectation that the sun will rise in the East. The people who pushed for these lawsuits are the same kind of people who are staging these idiotic protests. If they cared about social distancing they wouldn't have filed the lawsuit.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:34 am to TideSaint
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Therefore, one would naturally assume you prefer the Communist form of government over Capitalism.
Neither of these is a form of government.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:40 am to bamameister
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China is slowly and carefully returning to a semblance of normalcy. International News outlets say as much.
That’s not my point. I’m saying their numbers overall are off. They finished with it because it started for them earlier and they likely already had mass deaths.
Just think what it means for 300K people to die in China. They don’t all have to be marked as covid deaths. They don’t have to be in one area but in all over the country. Again a very large country. A few more thousand people dying in each city isn’t going to be that noticeable.
A doctor isn’t going to risk their life exposing China’s possible coverup if they don’t have actual proof. You don’t seem to understand China covers up shite all the time.
China is not even releasing how much testing they’ve even done while every other country in the world has done. Again if you want to compare death numbers, how do you know if they were recording deaths the same? You think the average Chinese is going to risk their lives “exposing” the truth because the government is dragging off the dead bodies of some poor people.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:46 am to bamameister
Hard to respect the scoreboard when it’s rigged
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:54 am to bamameister
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Wow, I do believe I've just been "Barnerize." You know, when you say anything negative about Alabama that breaks with company policy and someone calls you a "barner." Oh, the inhumanity of it all.
No. It's really just when you say something stupid. And you have done a lot of that in your recent posts.
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