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prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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No excuse for the play we got from that position this season


To play devil's advocate here:

1) This was the first year of the widespread, universal RPO. I didn't see a ton of awesome ILB play anywhere in CFB that had good offenses.

2) Our OLB corp was immediately hit by injuries, which I maintain put a strain on the Dline as well as ILB, given the need for positions to have to cover others' responsibilities.

3) We didn't really have a great 2nd team Dline, which meant that our Dline group got tired as each game wore on, rather than staying fresh. This leads to decreased DLine play, which means that the opposing Oline will have many more opportunities to get to the ILBs.

4) No single group played super dominant this season, outside of Q Williams and Thompson/McKinney at times.

DLine wasn't amazing as a unit and doesn't keep Oline off LBs. Also, there's time for the QB to throw.

OLBs did a poor job of setting the edge at times, as well as a poor job of pressuring the backfield.

ILB's don't play well, so there's less gang tackling and more ballcarries with lanes. We can't do a lot of blitzing either in order to cover the failures of other groups.

DBs don't play well, so there's open receivers at times. This also means that we can't bring the DB blitz much as we need folks to cover. Also, since the front 7 isn't getting enough pressure, the DBs have to cover longer.

And so...

ILB is kinda similar to QB - in order to play well, you need other people to also play well. Far too many times, defensive players for Bama didn't win their matchup that play, which meant that the opposing offense was successful in the early part of the play. If that's true, then you end up with ILBs who need to make solo tackles all the time. Granted Wilson missed on some open field tackles, but my point is that we didn't have people flying to the football as a group.

Bama has always gang tackled, and we just didn't do that enough this year, and that is a failure at every level. No, I'm not blaming the DC. I'm simply saying that on D, each unit needs the other units to do their jobs, or it all goes to shit, particularly as advanced as offenses are in parts of CFB today. Hell, for the first time in my life, college offenses are more on the forefront of strategy than the NFL, and the NFL can't hire college OCs (who failed as head coaches) fast enough.

The only change that I say we definitely need to make is to play more guys on the second string and see who's a gamer. If we can rotate RBs and OLBs, then why can't we do the same at ILB and other positions? How has Benton and McMillon been at Bama this long without getting a shot to do some damage? Yeah, I know, you can say that Moses and Wilson performed better in practice. Fine, but when the starter isn't getting it done come game time, put in the other guy.

I just think we've become too risk averse in our entire defensive philosophy. I hope it was because of personnel efficiencies, and will stop as we manufacture a better 2-deep. But gone are the days of Bama attacking on D and it's gotta change.
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Cobrasize
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
That's was in 2010 as the OC and he was head coach in 2011. I just don't think he would be a good hire. That's just my opinion


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prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
Also, don't be at all surprised when the Oline downfield rule is changed from 3 yards to 1 yard. I'd bet BIG money that gets changed this offseason. That will help ILBs tremendously.


Cobrasize
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
That's fair and agree with most of it. It doesn't make me feel better, at all, but I agree


Tider95
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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How has Benton and McMillon been at Bama this long without getting a shot to do some damage? Yeah, I know, you can say that Moses and Wilson performed better in practice. Fine, but when the starter isn't getting it done come game time, put in the other guy.
You can't pull your signal caller from the game.


Cobrasize
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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Also, don't be at all surprised when the Oline downfield rule is changed from 3 yards to 1 yard. I'd bet BIG money that gets changed this offseason. That will help ILBs tremendously.

They need to change it. I hate that crap.


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Tider95
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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I'd bet BIG money that gets changed this offseason. That will help ILBs tremendously.
CFB is making more money than ever with more fans than ever, they aren't going to touch that rule. Offense gets people to watch.


prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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That's fair and agree with most of it. It doesn't make me feel better, at all, but I agree


It can make you feel better if you just resign yourself to the fact that Bama had a true, honest to goodness, rebuilding year on defense from a talent perspective.

And we damn near got a title anyway.


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Cobrasize
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Offense gets people to watch.

I wish that I was one of those people. I love defense.


Tider95
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I wish that I was one of those people. I love defense.


I lie to myself and say I do, but the reality is that I find offensive football far more interesting. Defensive football at the end of the day is about killing the fun (except that 2016 team, all the NOTs were fun as hell).


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JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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You can spin it anyway you wish but Bama has shite the bed when recruiting ILB'er over the past two years. We have some great athletes playing that position but they don't have anything near the mental makeup of a Shaun Hamilton or even Evans. 30 and 32 have zero football savvy and that is unusual for a Bama LBer.


prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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You can't pull your signal caller from the game.


I was the defensive signal caller in HS for 3 consecutive years. Calling the plays is like anything else - you can teach multiple people to do it. It helps to have a particularly smart person to do it, but anybody who can stay eligible while taking college couses can get it done.

Additionally, ILBs don't really call plays anymore. Everyone looks to the sideline and gets the signals. The Mike is really only making adjustments in 2018, and again, you can teach multiple people to do that.

It's completely different from the QB position, who calls, starts, and manages the rhythm of the play from a distribution standpoint.

There's absolutely no reason that you can't teach multiple players to play Mike in 2018.


prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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30 and 32 have zero football savvy and that is unusual for a Bama LBer.


I can't agree with that. I think Moses and Wilson looked great last year. I think that they were tasked with doing too much this year.


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Tider95
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
It has been stressed to me that in the Saban Defense the signal caller is vital. The second they get removed from the game there is confusion. So while I agree with you in theory, the way we have set up this defense, the Mike calling signals (and it being a consistent presence (aka starter) is still vitally important.
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prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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I wish that I was one of those people. I love defense.


I also prefer defense.


prevatt33
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Defensive football at the end of the day is about killing


Yes. Killing. You got it, hoss. Straight up murder.

"You the guy who shot my mother aren't you."


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Commander Data
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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also prefer defense.


Same. 2016 was my favorite season to date as a fan despite the Clemson game for that very fact. 2011 a close second.


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prevatt33
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
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It has been stressed to me that in the Saban Defense the signal caller is vital.


I agree in the sense that the defense must have a really good player at Mike each play. I don't see why it has to be the same 1 person.

Again, I'm not campaigning for a rotational Mike. I'm campaigning for Bama giving the second string on defense more PT across the board, and not just in garbage time. We tried to manufacture depth in the first half of the season, and then stopped. I wanted to continue seeing it through November. I get why we didn't - we had no margin for error. But I'd have risked it.


Tider95
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
I understand, but that also was a ridiculous stretch for us in terms of the teams we faced. It's hard for any team to work on creating depth in those situations.


LittleJerrySeinfield
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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: Getting the Band Back Together (Maybe) Edition
Anyone else heard Gene Chizik’s name being thrown around?


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