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Posted on 9/1/20 at 8:49 am to hwyman108
Posted on 9/1/20 at 8:49 am to hwyman108
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So this is where I stand... if the players and coaches truly understand and support a Marxist organization then that goes against what I believe in as a American and what America stands for. I’m not asking you to agree with what I’ve said but I hope you can respect it. Life is about decisions and very important decisions can make or break you for years to come
OK, there not thugs, they're "Marxist." Good we have a label for all these guys, otherwise, we could simply forget who's who.
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Posted on 9/1/20 at 8:51 am to bamameister
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Good we have a label for all these guys
No offense, but the only person here "labeling" the players is you.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:00 am to TideSaint
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No offense, but the only person here "labeling" the players is you.
So, the guy I was talking to wasn't referring to those involved in BLM as Marxist?
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:03 am to TideSaint
I love America too, Boz, but some of this shite is getting ridiculous:
Report: CA District Attorney Issues Guidance To Police: Consider Needs Of Looters Before Charging Them
Unbelievable.
Report: CA District Attorney Issues Guidance To Police: Consider Needs Of Looters Before Charging Them
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A California district attorney allegedly issued guidance to law enforcement in her county that required them to consider if looters needed their loot before the police charged them with a crime.
Costa County District Attorney Diana Becton’s guidance reportedly also included consideration of whether “the target business open or closed” at the time of the looting and “what was the manner and means” by which the looter gained entry to the target business.
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Theft Offenses Committed During State of Emergency (PC 463)
In order to promote consistent and equitable filing practices the follow[ing] analysis is to be applied when giving consideration to filing of PC 463 (Looting):
1. Was this theft offense substantially motivated by the state of emergency, or simply a theft offense which occurred contemporaneous to the declared state of emergency?
2. Factors to consider in making this determination:
3. Was the target business open or closed to the public during the state of emergency? ii. What was the manner and means by which the suspect gained entry to the business? iii. What was the nature/quantity/value of the goods targeted? iv. Was the theft committed for financial gain or personal need? v. Is there an articulable reason why another statute wouldn’t adequately address the particular incident?
Unbelievable.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:06 am to bamameister
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So, the guy I was talking to wasn't referring to those involved in BLM as Marxist?
BLM, as an organization, is Marxist. It's in their manifesto. They proudly shout it from the rooftops.
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OK, there not thugs, they're "Marxist."
These are your words, not his. He didn't say a thing about our players being Marxist. He said this:
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if the players and coaches truly understand and support a Marxist organization then that goes against what I believe in as a American and what America stands for. I’m not asking you to agree with what I’ve said but I hope you can respect it.
Again, the only person labeling our players is you.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:17 am to TideSaint
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These are your words, not his. He didn't say a thing about our players being Marxist. He said this:
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if the players and coaches truly understand and support a Marxist organization then that goes against what I believe in as a American and what America stands for. I’m not asking you to agree with what I’ve said but I hope you can respect it.
Actually, these words are yours and not his. This guy, that was discussing his beliefs with me, now needs you to explain to me what he actually was saying about who was and is a "Marxist"? Seems a little insulting to a poster who was eloquent enough in arguing his beliefs, to begin with.
But I'll give you this TS, there is enough verbal hocus pocus going on this thread to qualify as a magic show. Can be kinda tough, and apparently, downright confusing when your favorite football team doesn't live up to your brand of politics.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:25 am to bamameister
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Actually, these words are yours and not his.
I quoted him. Those aren't my words.
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But I'll give you this TS, there is enough verbal hocus pocus going on this thread to qualify as a magic show. Can be kinda tough, and apparently, downright confusing when your favorite football team doesn't live up to your brand of politics.
No offense, but who is confused here? He posted he didn't agree with them and he's well within his right as an American to feel and express himself that way. You may not agree with him, but that's not his problem.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:27 am to TideSaint
Honest Questionfor everyone, why does Twitter throw out the hashtag #TrumpsAmerica when it’s the Liberals doing all the riots/looting?
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:31 am to bamameister
First I'm just replying to your post meister because it was the last one at the time.
A lot of people support the phrase BLM and not the organization. As a phrase it has merit. I'm personally opposed to the organization. I listened to part of Coach Saban's speech after the march (the entire speech wasn't available on the link I had - if someone wants to provide a link to the entire speech thanks). Saban does a great job talking about making positive change. He led the march that without violence and I didn't see any anti / hate related slogans. I think this was another of his teaching moments (although it is hard to call something a moment that seems continuous). He does want to protect his players and help to mold good men/citizens. Just more coach being coach to me.
A lot of people support the phrase BLM and not the organization. As a phrase it has merit. I'm personally opposed to the organization. I listened to part of Coach Saban's speech after the march (the entire speech wasn't available on the link I had - if someone wants to provide a link to the entire speech thanks). Saban does a great job talking about making positive change. He led the march that without violence and I didn't see any anti / hate related slogans. I think this was another of his teaching moments (although it is hard to call something a moment that seems continuous). He does want to protect his players and help to mold good men/citizens. Just more coach being coach to me.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:31 am to CrimsonBoz
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Here’s the thing. We all know why he did it. It’s popular with the kids.
Here’s my takeaway, the kids believe in something, voiced their 1st amendment peacefully and today it’s over. Back to business.
I have no issue with anyone voicing their opinion even if it’s not based in fact at all. That’s the beauty of America.
You don't think Saban being at Kent State when the National Guard killed young American citizens who were protesting the Vietnam War had anything to do with his support of this?
He has nothing to personally gain from doing this. His career legacy is set and it's not like he needed to do this to "play nice" because he's already expressed his support for the cause.
Some of you need some serious introspection and ask yourselves why you're so against Black people asking for basic fairness. The cause is NOT the organization.
This post was edited on 9/1/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:33 am to mistaken4193
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Honest Questionfor everyone, why does Twitter throw out the hashtag #TrumpsAmerica when it’s the Liberals doing all the riots/looting?
Are liberals not Americans? Let's start there...
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:34 am to BamaReb
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A lot of people support the phrase BLM and not the organization.
This.
The organization has publicly stated they are trying to destroy our society as we know it. How anyone can get behind them is baffling to me. If you value freedom of speech then they aren't who you should be supporting IMO.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:35 am to mistaken4193
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why does Twitter throw out the hashtag #TrumpsAmerica when it’s the Liberals doing all the riots/looting?
First off, Twitter doesn't create the hashtag, Twitter users do. If enough Tweets include that hashtag, it gets trending and gets more exposure.
But to answer the question, the Trump campaign has been framing the protests, riots, and looting as the future if Biden is elected, when they're actually happening while Trump is in office. They're selling a vision of what is to come if the other guy wins, when what they're selling is actually happening now while their guy is in office.
My opinion is they're going to continue no matter who is in office.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:36 am to TideSaint
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No offense, but who is confused here?
What is all that "confusing" about this guy referring to Alabama football players as "Marxist."
You can argue to the cows come home about whether that qualifies in your vocabulary as a "label" or not.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:39 am to TideSaint
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The organization has publicly stated they are trying to destroy our society as we know it. How anyone can get behind them is baffling to me. If you value freedom of speech then they aren't who you should be supporting IMO
It's no different than the 60s. You had the Black Power Movement undercutting the Civil Rights Movement, which led to anti-Blacks lumping them all together.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:39 am to The Spleen
Yeah but Trump supporters aren’t the ones doing the rioting and looting....Biden supporters are.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:40 am to bamameister
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What is all that "confusing" about this guy referring to Alabama football players as "Marxist."
Because he didn't refer to them as Marxist?
Reading comprehension might not be your strong suit if you actually think he did.
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You can argue to the cows come home about whether that qualifies in your vocabulary as a "label" or not.
Okay. You're still wrong though.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:40 am to stomp
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You don't think Saban being at Kent State when the National Guard killed young American citizens who were protesting the Vietnam War had anything to do with his support of this?
I think more than that, the tornado in Tuscaloosa changed Saban. He's come across as more compassionate in general, and more cognizant of the climate outside the football program since then. He's come across much more relaxed and seems to interact more with his players. I would imagine with that comes him listening(something I think everyone should do) more to his players and hearing their backgrounds, their experiences, etc.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:41 am to stomp
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It's no different than the 60s. You had the Black Power Movement undercutting the Civil Rights Movement, which led to anti-Blacks lumping them all together.
I know the internet wasn't around back then so to compare the two is impossible, but I've seen numerous black people condemn the BLM organization, not just "anti-blacks," whatever that means.
People here don't have an issue with the BLM organization because of race. They have an issue with them trying to destroy our Democracy. The color of their skin is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 9/1/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:43 am to mistaken4193
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Yeah but Trump supporters aren’t the ones doing the rioting and looting....Biden supporters are.
Not sure what that has to do with anything really. Protesting, rioting, and looting have been happening since our founding. They are nothing new. They happened when Obama was president, and they'll happen no matter who the next president is.
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