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re: Henry Ruggs: car accident kills others, faces 2-20 years charged w/ DWI
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:12 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:12 pm to East Coast Band
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Rumors are also that while at Top Golf prior to the wreck, he was served a high number of drinks.
Then they share responsibility in the civil suit.
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:16 pm to Grievous Angel
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But Ruggs and his passenger survived relatively unscathed.
They were drunk and their bodies were pretty much elastic due to how relaxed their muscles would have been.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:40 pm to YStar
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Then they share responsibility in the civil suit.
Yep. If he was served too much alcohol, then Top Golf (or wherever he was) is most definitely liable as well. He was double the legal limit.
Whoever downvoted is wrong.
This is such a horrible, soul crushing story all the way around. Zero winners.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:46 pm to Bham4Tide
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonBoz
Yea, I don't think that Ruggs would hurt a soul, either.
Dude has always seemed to have a level head, respectful, and always been a good representative of the University.
I hate this for all involved. What a dumb and devastating decision.
Dude has always seemed to have a level head, respectful, and always been a good representative of the University.
I hate this for all involved. What a dumb and devastating decision.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Why on earth would they have had to have a warrant if they had probably cause? I'd say that 156 MPH and odor of alcohol plus behavior obviously gave them that.
Because the 4th amendment protects you from unreasonable search and seizure. The courts have (quite rightly) held that stuff inside your body deserves the highest level of protection. That judicial review of the request for a search warrant is supposed to serve as the 'reasonableness' test.
Probable (not probably) cause is what the officer articulates to demonstrate that the search would be reasonable. As you said, the bar isn't hard to reach in this case.
You're likely confusing probable cause with exigent circumstances. Exigent circumstances let LE do things that would otherwise require a warrant - but they're limited to situations where there's a clear threat to someone, great risk of evidence destruction, or something similar that makes it obvious that time is critical. Ruggs wasn't going anywhere so those circumstances didn't exist here.
Sometimes when someone consents to a search, LE will still get a warrant so that later on there can't be an argument about whether or not the consent was freely given. You don't take chances when you don't have to do so lest you lose critical evidence and thus lose the case.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:35 pm to Grievous Angel
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But Ruggs and his passenger survived relatively unscathed. They would ave been exposed to as much force from the front (against airbags and seatbelts) as this person was from the rear. Maybe the front facing safety equipment makes all the difference?
That AU sports caster and his wife died by a crash from the rear, though I don't recall the speed/details. Maybe we're less protected from the rear than we think.
I talked about this earlier. Look at the pictures - it was an underrun. The height of her SUV vs his Corvette matched up in a way where his car served as a ramp. The rear of her car isn't crushed in but the rear tires are pushed way forward. The Brambletts were hit by a vehicle of similar height as their car.
I really hope 1987 is right and the force of the impact caused a basilar skull fracture or similar immediately fatal injury but I'm afraid the autopsy is going to show the cause of death to be thermal burns and smoke inhalation.
Just terrible. Really, to me this should be a capital crime. That speed - particularly on that type of roadway, that BAC, it's just inexcusable. Since it can't be a capital crime at the very least he should never breathe free air again.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:02 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:I completely disagree with you. Capital punishment, if it deserves a place in our legal system at all, should only be used for deliberate acts of violence like rape and first-degree murder. He made an inexplicably poor decision, but in no way did he plan to kill anyone. Your use of the word “inexcusable” is frightening. Abortion and drug dealing are inexcusable, but people don’t deserve to die for those.
Just terrible. Really, to me this should be a capital crime. That speed - particularly on that type of roadway, that BAC, it's just inexcusable. Since it can't be a capital crime at the very least he should never breathe free air again.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:10 pm to Skybox_rtr
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for deliberate acts of violence
Driving 160mph while drunk in a residential neighborhood is a textbook example of a deliberate act of violence and is inexcusable.
The fact that anyone would attempt to say otherwise disturbs me.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:13 pm to mre
This almost appears like a suicide attempt. Unfortunately, he killed someone else.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:14 pm to JustGetItRight
Hes just describing the difference between someone who grabs a pistol and kills someone in cold blood as opposed to someone who is drunk and gets behind the wheel and kills someone. Legally it's not the same.... with that being said Henry sosekt deserve the lavish life he has anymore. He should do 20 plus years and lose all those millions made
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:20 pm to seanpendleton10
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Legally it's not the same
I know legally it isn't the same, which is why I said it was my opinion. I accept that society decided there is a distinction I just don't agree with it.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:22 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:I meant “deliberate” to be for the variety of “long and careful consideration”, but I understand that’s a complex word that can have varying degrees of “diliberation” per se.
The fact that anyone would attempt to say otherwise disturbs me.
What saddens me is that it seems you have such a low value of life that you would so easily take another after the terrible loss of one for an inexplicably poor decision that deserves punishment. But killing “the bad people” isn’t the solution.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:32 pm to Skybox_rtr
I am for redemption opportunities in a great deal of situations. Automatically restored civil rights, alternative court systems, and other means of giving people a chance to turn their lives around.
Until you take another life through blatantly criminal actions.
He should get his life back when she gets hers back. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. Sorry, not sorry.
Until you take another life through blatantly criminal actions.
He should get his life back when she gets hers back. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. Sorry, not sorry.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:49 pm to RollTide1987
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I doubt very seriously she survived the impact.
Unfortunately, if the witness statements are accurate she not only survived she was conscious and screaming as bystanders tried to rescue her.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 4:59 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:No matter our difference of opinions on what the legal repercussions of the case should be, we can all agree that that is terribly sad news. Prayers for her family.
Unfortunately, if the witness statements are accurate she not only survived she was conscious and screaming as bystanders tried to rescue her.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 11/3/21 at 5:09 pm to Skybox_rtr
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No matter our difference of opinions on what the legal repercussions of the case should be, we can all agree that that is terribly sad news. Prayers for her family.
Absolutely.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 5:38 pm to JustGetItRight
That’s just awful.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 6:25 pm to CrimsonBoz
He deserves the death penalty. Such a willful and extreme disregard for human life. If that was my daughter, prison would be the safest place for him.
She died the most painful and horrible death...burned alive. It just makes me sick to my stomach.
She died the most painful and horrible death...burned alive. It just makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 6:34 pm to Chad4Bama
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He deserves the death penalty.
You need help.
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