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Does anyone actually think a healthy, experienced Ty Simpson wouldn’t have won the Heisman

Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:07 pm
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:07 pm
if he played for Indiana this year instead of Mendoza, with their running game and their pass catchers who make catches like the Penn St game rather than the number of drops we had?

If Ty was a 3 yr starter like Mendoza and on that team instead, the likelihood that he would have the same or better numbers would be very, very high. Even with all the drops, no running game, poor pass blocking, playing through injury, and facing some of the toughest defenses of anyone all year…he still had 28 TDs to only 5 INTs and over 3,500 yds passing. We saw what he did to Wisconsin, so imagine playing 6-7 Wisconsins instead of LSU, OK, AU, UGA, etc.

8 teams have made the Semifinals the past 2 years and exactly ZERO of them were with first year starters at QB. I’ll repeat for emphasis, not one single team with a first year starter at QB has made the CFP semis the past 2 years. Ty may actually be one of the only 1st year starters to actually win a CFP game in the last 2 years.

Ty is a borderline 1st round draft pick after being a 1st year starter, with multiple “experts” praising his footwork and ability to read defenses. The only QBs ahead of him on draft boards are multi-year starters.

People saying they want to go with another 1st year starter instead of Ty don’t understand what they’re asking for. A healthy Ty with a full year of experience is absolutely the best QB option we could hope for next year, and it’s not close. He’ll get 3-4 mm from someone else and probably be in the semis if he goes to the right place if we let him walk. It will then be a rebuilding year for us (which people don’t understand that this year was actually somewhat a rebuilding year given Ty was a 1st time starter). Having multiple rebuilding years in a row sucks, but for some reason a bunch of Bama fans want that. Makes zero sense. Give me Ty next year and Keelon for 2 yrs after that. Appreciate Mack’s service but likely best for him to transfer if Ty comes back.

The absolute worst case scenario is Mack next year followed by Keelon the year after (assuming Mack transfers out like Ty after his first year starting). That’s 3 straight years of 1st time starters and 2 that would be developing here and going somewhere else for their best years. No thanks on Bama becoming a farm team for developing other teams’ QBs, but that’s just me.

Interesting read from Jets site: LINK


Apologies for the wall of text, but people just don’t understand what they’re asking for.

Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:24 pm to
I think he is definitely a Heisman contender behind a competent offensive line. He was the only decent Saban recruit left on offense. He got into a bad habit of unnecessarily leaving the pocket and not climbing it when the line did do a decent job because he was acclimated to running for his life against good defenses.

Let’s see how it plays out after all of the Saban duds are gone. Proctor and Formby were not fast enough to keep up, but we were pretty light on experience behind them. The portal will have to be relied on to fill those spots with faster guys.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:30 pm to
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Ty is a borderline 1st round draft pick after being a 1st year starter, with multiple “experts” praising his footwork and ability to read defenses.


Yeah, and then other teams got tape of him and made adjustments to take away the 2 or 3 things he did well. His footwork was a mess by the end of the season and his ability to read defenses regressed singificantly.

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People saying they want to go with another 1st year starter instead of Ty don’t understand what they’re asking for.


I absolutely understand what I'm asking for.

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A healthy Ty with a full year of experience is absolutely the best QB option we could hope for next year, and it’s not close.


In your opinion.

In my opinion, I saw a QB that, even when healthy, had horrid deep-ball accuracy and regressed mentally throughout the season.

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Give me Ty next year and Keelon for 2 yrs after that.


This assumes A LOT. It assumes Keelon would stick around with no chance to start next year and then assumes Keelon will be a 2-year starter before leaving for the NFL.

I want Keelon to start next year because he's a generational talent and has the highest ceiling. I want a full two years out of him before he heads to the NFL.
Posted by Chris ALL Capps
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:36 pm to
Same here regarding Keelon. He's gone if he's not starting next season. Not saying I agree with that but it's just the way of the new landscape.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:44 pm to
You’re also assuming Keelon stays after next year when he could make 4+mm to transfer for his last year.

You’re willing to take us out of NC contention next year (and possibly miss the playoffs) to play a true sophomore 1st time starter with the hopes he sticks around for his jr year so we can contend. If he leaves, we’ve taken ourselves out of contention for 3 straight years.

If you think our bad OL and no running game broke Ty this year to the point he isn’t fixable in 1 offseason (similar to a top draft pick going to a bad NFL team and getting ruined behind a bad OL), then your statement might make sense. However the majority of QBs tend to get better in their 2nd year of starting if they aren’t in a worse situation around them.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:46 pm to
I said the same thing after the game. Ty would do great at Indiana in that system. Hell, he might tranfer there and we'll see it live.

It is all hypothetical bullshite though.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:48 pm to
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You’re also assuming Keelon stays after next year when he could make 4+mm to transfer for his last year.


If Keelon starts as a sophomore and plays well enough to still be the starter as a junior he's not transferring to secure one last bag before turning pro. He already took a smaller amount of money to come to Bama as a recruit. He's only transferring for playing time which he won't get if Ty comes back.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16931 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:50 pm to
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You’re willing to take us out of NC contention next year (and possibly miss the playoffs) to play a true sophomore 1st time starter


Again, just your opinion that it would take us out of NC contention (and I don't care about the stat that first-year starters haven't made it to the semifinals in the last two years. A team receiving a bye hadn't won until this year either).

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However the majority of QBs tend to get better in their 2nd year of starting if they aren’t in a worse situation around them.


The majority of first-year starters should also get better as the season progresses and they gain more experience. The opposite happened with Ty. I'm sorry, I just don't think Ty is going to make a major leap in year 2 like Joe Burrow did. I think Ty was playing close to his ceiling at some point this season and I just don't think it's good enough to give him another year and gamble on losing Keelon.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:52 pm to
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It is all hypothetical


I hear you, but it’s not hypothetical that 0 of 8 teams in the semis the past 2 yrs had 1st year starters.

I believe the last first year starter to win a NC was either Stetson Bennet in 2021 or Mac Jones in 2020, and both of those players were on teams that had stacked rosters prior to the full effect of the portal/NIL and were immediately placed into the semis instead of having to win their way there and beyond.
Posted by FightingOkra
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:56 pm to
If DeBoer somehow let's Keelon get away he'll have lost the #1 QB in the 24 class and the #1 QB in the 25 class in the 2 years he's been here. Not that I'm sure there was anything he could have done to keep Sayin around but that would still be an awful look.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 4:56 pm to
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If Keelon starts as a sophomore and plays well enough to still be the starter as a junior he's not transferring to secure one last bag before turning pro. He already took a smaller amount of money to come to Bama as a recruit. He's only transferring for playing time which he won't get if Ty comes back.


That’s pure assumption. Have Keelon miss the playoffs or early exit (like all other 1st year starters) and see what the fans are saying about him.

Why do you think Ty might not want to run it back if he isn’t going to the draft then? He’s a five star recruit that got us to the Rose Bowl and some people want him gone. “Next” mentality of some fans is hilarious, and scary. Next QB, next year, next coach…
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 4:59 pm
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:00 pm to
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and I don't care about the stat that first-year starters haven't made it to the semifinals in the last two years


I think I found the issue. Let me know the next time a first year starter wins the NC (assuming I’m still on this board…could be awhile).
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16931 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:01 pm to
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He’s a five star recruit that got us to the Rose Bowl and some people want him gone. “Next” mentality of some fans is hilarious, and scary.


It's the same reason why people wanted Jalen benched. Most of us realize we have a guy with a higher ceiling on the bench.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:03 pm to
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That’s pure assumption.


So is everything in your original post.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16931 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:04 pm to
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Let me know the next time a first year starter wins the NC (assuming I’m still on this board…could be awhile).


It's not that rare for a first-year starter to win an NC. Hell, 4 different Bama QBs have done it. It'll definitely happen in this era. But sure, I'll keep you updated
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16931 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:09 pm to
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Hell, he might tranfer there and we'll see it live.



Unlikely.

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Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:11 pm to
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It's the same reason why people wanted Jalen benched. Most of us realize we have a guy with a higher ceiling on the bench.


Saban tried that other “guy with a higher ceiling on the bench” when he was a sophomore for a half and people were screaming for Jalen back.

I’m looking forward to seeing what Keelon can do as well, but this “next” mentality is a bit of an AU mentality. Bama has been generally trying to compete every year, vs. throwing in the towel to start the high potential player. Fans wanted Arch over Ewer at UT, AU fans screaming for Deuce Knight, etc. It’s all the same mentality.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
8253 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:14 pm to
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So is everything in your original post.


No, it isn’t. No first year starters in the Semis the past 2 years isn’t an assumption.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16931 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:16 pm to
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I’m looking forward to seeing what Keelon can do as well, but this “next” mentality is a bit of an AU mentality. Bama has been generally trying to compete every year, vs. throwing in the towel to start the high potential player. Fans wanted Arch over Ewer at UT, AU fans screaming for Deuce Knight, etc. It’s all the same mentality.


So we should have started Formby all year at RT instead of the true Freshman "next" guy?

How about when we replaced Domani with Dijon Lee? Was that also the wrong move?

How about Brooks? Should he have sat behind guys with more experience?
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 5:18 pm
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12943 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:18 pm to
If A&M is willing to pay Formby 1,75 then what will this cat demand?

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