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re: Barnett's time in Tuscaloosa
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:09 am to ArabianKnight
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:09 am to ArabianKnight
We're all excited about Hurts, but this competition isn't over. Blake also has an incredible arm and is the most accurate passer on the team. Those lasers to Howard and Deiter we're NFL perfect throws.
I'm still not convinced we don't end up with a 2 QB system of some sort. Guess we shall see.
I'm still not convinced we don't end up with a 2 QB system of some sort. Guess we shall see.
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:17 am to tider04
Yep, I agree.
I think there's a little bit of confirmation bias happening with our fanbase. I think Hurts played very well in his first game. However, if you REALLY look at it honestly, was he truly better than Barnett? Maybe, but I don't think we can know until we see them both play a little more. People say Barnett looked scared... well yeah, it he's a RSFr in his first game vs. USC. Of course he did. And, even if he didn't look like it, I can promise you Hurts was nervous too. Would you guys be so dismissive of the fumble and INT if they had been Barnett's? I doubt it.
I just think we need a larger sample size. I've said all year that I thought Barnett would win the job. BUT, I'm perfectly willing to be wrong, if Hurts is the guy. And, I'd have to say he leads right now. But, lets watch them a little more before we bury either of them.
I think there's a little bit of confirmation bias happening with our fanbase. I think Hurts played very well in his first game. However, if you REALLY look at it honestly, was he truly better than Barnett? Maybe, but I don't think we can know until we see them both play a little more. People say Barnett looked scared... well yeah, it he's a RSFr in his first game vs. USC. Of course he did. And, even if he didn't look like it, I can promise you Hurts was nervous too. Would you guys be so dismissive of the fumble and INT if they had been Barnett's? I doubt it.
I just think we need a larger sample size. I've said all year that I thought Barnett would win the job. BUT, I'm perfectly willing to be wrong, if Hurts is the guy. And, I'd have to say he leads right now. But, lets watch them a little more before we bury either of them.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:18 am to tider04
I think that Barnett knows more of the playbook. That would be a good reason to keep the kid prepared. If, Jalen Hurts rolls right/ Jalen Hurts runs right/ Jalen Hurts scrambles becomes stagnant in a particular game, Barnett's knowledge of the playbook and passing ability could possibly be beneficial. Not to mention, if Hurts gets....well...his name minus the s.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:25 am to tider04
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and is the most accurate passer on the team.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is not a fact.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:38 am to Teague
Bias works both ways. It isn't just with Hurts fans.
For instance when people are ignoring facts like BB being pulled out by Saban because he didn't trust him under pressure. They are attempting to ignore the fact actions speak louder than words and Saban's actions were to trust a TF instead of BB even after he fumbled.
That says a lot.
Then there is the exaggerations like BB is most accurate QB or can execute more of the playbook.
Both without a shred of proof to validate.
For instance when people are ignoring facts like BB being pulled out by Saban because he didn't trust him under pressure. They are attempting to ignore the fact actions speak louder than words and Saban's actions were to trust a TF instead of BB even after he fumbled.
That says a lot.
Then there is the exaggerations like BB is most accurate QB or can execute more of the playbook.
Both without a shred of proof to validate.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:51 am to Teague
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I think Hurts played very well in his first game. However, if you REALLY look at it honestly, was he truly better than Barnett?
Yes, he was. From a pure passing standpoint, Barnett without a doubt played very well but that isn't the only factor in play. Hurts mobility was vastly superior and his accuracy and arm strength was very similar.
Barnett did well, but Hurts was simply better.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:57 am to JustGetItRight
One could argue the only reason why BB did well was because of Hurts removing all pressure when he took over the game.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:57 am to JustGetItRight
I don't think it's that simple. Nothing ever is. What were the play calls? How was the O line early? How many chances did each get?
Sample size too small.
Sample size too small.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:07 pm to Teague
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I don't think it's that simple. Nothing ever is. What were the play calls? How was the O line early? How many chances did each get?
Sample size too small.
We'll see.
I'm not hating on Barnett. As I said, I thought he played well once he settled down. I just think the extra dimension Hurts brings set him apart last week and the gap is just going to grow.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:16 pm to tider04
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Blake also has an incredible arm and is the most accurate passer on the team. Those lasers to Howard and Deiter we're NFL perfect throws.
Let's not get carried away, no pressure wide open throws with 0 consequences. He has a lot to prove as they both do.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:37 pm to tider04
I think it's about 75-25 in favor of Hurts. I have no facts or insider info to base that on just my opinion. Without being at practice we can only speculate off limited performances. It'll be interesting to see if either guy steps up and claims the job outright.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:42 pm to 615tider
That's true, but if Saban starts Hurts, what is the likelihood he struggles with WKU, when he manhandled USC?
If BB starts I feel he has that 25% chance because he can use this game to get comfortable and build Saban's trust in him for the higher pressure away game the week after.
If Hurts start, the chance he screws up isnt very high so it would naturally be him solidifying himself for the role the week after.
I guess we will see with time.
If BB starts I feel he has that 25% chance because he can use this game to get comfortable and build Saban's trust in him for the higher pressure away game the week after.
If Hurts start, the chance he screws up isnt very high so it would naturally be him solidifying himself for the role the week after.
I guess we will see with time.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:43 pm to 615tider
I think Hurts has just about "won the team" with his coolness and poise. They seem to be a little more hyped up around him when he does good. To me, he just has ice in his veins.
Also, when everyone talked about starting a true freshman, my biggest worry was being down in the fourth, on the road, and him freaking out. I see Barnett doing that more now than Hurts.
Also, when everyone talked about starting a true freshman, my biggest worry was being down in the fourth, on the road, and him freaking out. I see Barnett doing that more now than Hurts.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:47 pm to YStar
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Bias works both ways. It isn't just with Hurts fans.
For instance when people are ignoring facts like BB being pulled out by Saban because he didn't trust him under pressure. They are attempting to ignore the fact actions speak louder than words and Saban's actions were to trust a TF instead of BB even after he fumbled.
That says a lot.
Then there is the exaggerations like BB is most accurate QB or can execute more of the playbook.
Both without a shred of proof to validate.
Meh, I'm not a fan of either in the sense that I'm rooting for one of them to win the job. I've never been team-sims vs. team-coker or any of that nonsense. I'm a Bama fan period, whoever helps us win is who I want.
I've heard from a couple of people who should know that BB is the most accurate in practice day in and day out. That's not speculation, despite what some said about a scrimmage performance. It's also not speculation that he knows more of the playbook, kid has been on campus a full extra year--he'd have to be dumber than a rock not to know more than Hurts at this point...and he certainly isn't dumb.
I do think Hurts probably ends up being the starter, I'm just not sold that BB won't have a role to play--b/c I do think he brings some things to the table and does some things better. Either way, I'm tickled that this is even a problem after the last couple of years when we weren't even certain that we had one SEC caliber QB on the roster.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:49 pm to 615tider
So reps this week were split on Monday 50/50, 70/30 Hurts yesterday. If Hurts get's full reps today or close to it and the next few days there is the answer.
Media doesn't see that. So my guess is Hurts starts but Barnett gets reps.
Media doesn't see that. So my guess is Hurts starts but Barnett gets reps.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:50 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Media doesn't see that. So my guess is Hurts starts but Barnett gets reps.
I think that's the assumption from most of us. Question is...what if they both look good again? What's the plan for OM?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:51 pm to tider04
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I've heard from a couple of people who should know that BB is the most accurate in practice day in and day out. That's not speculation, despite what some said about a scrimmage performance.
Sorry that is just not what I've seen and what others have seen. If anything they are equally accurate. That's only if we excuse the massive amount of bad interceptions he threw in scrimmages. No bias just laying it out.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:53 pm to tider04
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Media doesn't see that. So my guess is Hurts starts but Barnett gets reps.
I think that's the assumption from most of us. Question is...what if they both look good again? What's the plan for OM?
I think they just have to make a decision. One that should be based on film study and some other details. I'd def watch the FSU game and take a good look at what some ability to move outside the pocket did.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:55 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Sorry that is just not what I've seen and what others have seen. If anything they are equally accurate. That's only if we excuse the massive amount of bad interceptions he threw in scrimmages. No bias just laying it out.
I believe he had a rough scrimmage, but I also found out after the fact that one of the two picks he threw bounced off a receiver. But we don't hear that, we just hear he had two picks. Hurts also had turnovers in the scrimmages and in the game, Hurts had 2 turnovers (with one HORRIBLE pick) and BB had zero. All that leads me to believe that what I'm hearing is true...both have cannons, and Hurts brings the running dimension which is why I think he wins the job, but BB is the most accurate and knows more of the offense which is also a valuable thing. I'm sticking to that opinion until they prove me wrong on the field.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 1:58 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I'd def watch the FSU game and take a good look at what some ability to move outside the pocket did.
Agreed, as I was watching that game my thought was this FSU QB is winning Hurts the competition right now.
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