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Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:07 am to Allthatfades
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:07 am to Allthatfades
quote:After a disappointing regular season and almost lost to Southern Illinois in the first round. Went in as an 8 seed.
An Elite Eight
quote:Because our first few games that season were mostly cupcakes. Didn't even finish the season ranked. Had a losing conference record that year. Barely got into the tournament as a 10 seed.
And he got us to number one in the country
Do any of our former player ever stick up for him? I don't know if I've ever heard them say anything good about him.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:20 am to Allthatfades
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I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves for those early years.
He isn't remembered as favorably because
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Gottfried could beat the Lakers in Tuscaloosa and lose to Montevallo on the road.
That Jekyl and Hyde personality drives you crazy.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:30 am to JustGetItRight
I remember watching that rise to #1. It was incredible to watch. We were good, but not elite by any stretch. And as the previous poster said, we were playing cupcakes. The run started with us sitting in the mid to upper teens. We kept winning our games and the teams above us kept losing. So in the span of a few of weeks, we went from like 15 to 9 to 5 to 1. I thought to myself, maybe we are better than I am giving them credit for. Then it all came crashing down. That was the beginning of the end for Alabama basketball.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:39 am to phil4bama
Gottfried did underachieve a bit in the postseason outside of the Elite Eight run, I’ll give you that. No excuse for losing by double digits to Kent St. in the second round. Pearl and UW Milwaukee blew us off the floor. We did give UCLA, who was a number one seed, all they could handle I think in 2006. I think Steele missed a three at the buzzer that would’ve tied or won it. So yeah overall he probably did underachieve in the postseason. One and done can be a little difficult to judge though. I remember UW Milwaukee couldn’t miss that day.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:50 pm to Allthatfades
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I know Gottfried gets hate on a lot but sometimes I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves for those early years. Consistent tourney team. Two SEC titles, one outright. An Elite Eight. And he got us to number one in the country. After about 2006 it started to go downhill when he started not caring. But those early Gottfried years were tons of fun. We’d be elated if Oats gave us a run like that.
He got NC State to two Sweet Sixteens after he left here. He is good at building a program but not good at sustaining the initial success.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:56 pm to CrimsonFever
4ever, if you recall, CMG was so bad, TR Dunn bailed on him in short order.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:13 pm to CrimsonFever
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He got NC State to two Sweet Sixteens after he left here. He is good at building a program but not good at sustaining the initial success.
Gottfried isn't a good program builder though. He's a good recruiter but that's about it. If he misses on a couple of classes in a row he's screwed because he can't coach or develop players. That is what happened to him here and it's what happened to him at NC State.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:24 pm to Robot Santa
Those early Gottfried teams were all around solid because, as others have said, he recruited good players and TR Dunn and Asbury handled the development and defensive coaching.
One Dunn left we became a soft, lazy defensive team with a bunch of hot and cold iso-scorers. It's disappointing to look back at how many GREAT offensive players we had and how we gave it all away in the way we played and the defensive efforts.
One Dunn left we became a soft, lazy defensive team with a bunch of hot and cold iso-scorers. It's disappointing to look back at how many GREAT offensive players we had and how we gave it all away in the way we played and the defensive efforts.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:27 pm to Robot Santa
Well he took over a pretty bad Alabama team and got us to the elite 8 in his 6th season. He got us to the NCAAT 5 years in a row but then we nosedived off the deep end after that.
He started out good at NC State too then nosedived there eventually after 5 or so years.
He has initial success but can't sustain it long term.
He started out good at NC State too then nosedived there eventually after 5 or so years.
He has initial success but can't sustain it long term.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:28 pm to CrimsonFever
His NC State run of success also coincided with having great help on the bench - Bobby Lutz.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:29 pm to SummerOfGeorge
He still got to the Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteens in 10 year period, at two different schools. He could obviously coach a little bit.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:33 pm to CrimsonFever
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He still got to the Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteens in 10 year period, at two different schools. He could obviously coach a little bit.
Yea agree - my point was he had some glaring holes but when he had the right guy next to him to fill those holes he could win.
When he had TR Dunn at Alabama and Lutz at NC State he ran Top 25 level programs that played pretty solid basketball with very good rosters. Without those guys his teams had good players but played sloppy, lazy, and defenseless.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:46 pm to CrimsonFever
It's easy to turn around a program when your first four recruiting classes bring in Rod Grizzard, Erwin Dudley, Gerald Wallace, Mo Williams, Earnest Shelton, Kennedy Winston, and Chuck Davis. That's kind of my point. Gottfried was consistently signing multiple high impact players in the first half of his tenure. He did the same at NC State. Then Davidson was our only good signee in 2003, Steele was our only good signee in 2004, he signed Hendrix and Gee in 2005,and then his recruiting just totally fell off a cliff. He signed like 3 high impact players between 2006-2009. Riley was a 2 year JuCo transfer, and he was fired before he could coach Tony Mitchell.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:49 pm to Robot Santa
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It's easy to turn around a program when your first four recruiting classes bring in Rod Grizzard, Erwin Dudley, Gerald Wallace, Mo Williams, Earnest Shelton, Kennedy Winston, and Chuck Davis. That's kind of my point. Gottfried was consistently signing multiple high impact players in the first half of his tenure. He did the same at NC State. Then Davidson was our only good signee in 2003, Steele was our only good signee in 2004, he signed Hendrix and Gee in 2005,and then his recruiting just totally fell off a cliff. He signed like 3 high impact players between 2006-2009. Riley was a 2 year JuCo transfer, and he was fired before he could coach Tony Mitchell.
Remember the year we signed 3 Top 50 point guards and Miles and Weber left like 3 weeks into the season
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Reading through these old classes is fun
- I remember being JACKED about Ray George
- I was super excited about Steele/Miles/Weber
- I remember some friends at school from Decatur saying before he got there that Rico Pickett wouldn't amount to anything
- I remember being JACKED about Ray George
- I was super excited about Steele/Miles/Weber
- I remember some friends at school from Decatur saying before he got there that Rico Pickett wouldn't amount to anything
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Didn't they transfer to JuCos and were never heard from again? The roster management was so bad. So, so bad. And if you look at his time at NC State it tracks the exact same. Lots of kick arse recruiting classes that mostly pan out early on, good classes that don't pan out in the middle, and then it all fricking falls apart.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Not Gottfried but I remember people (full disclosure: I was one of them) convincing themselves that Carl Engstrom was pretty athletic and Moussa Gueye had a decent looking shot. In other news, Galin Smith has shown some real potential to be the next Patrick Ewing and I hear LeBron wants Avery Jr. on the Lakers ASAP.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:16 pm to Robot Santa
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Not Gottfried but I remember people (full disclosure: I was one of them) convincing themselves that Carl Engstrom was pretty athletic and Moussa Gueye had a decent looking shot. In other news, Galin Smith has shown some real potential to be the next Patrick Ewing and I hear LeBron wants Avery Jr. on the Lakers ASAP.
I absolutely bought into the Engstrom is huge and athletic because he played handball in Sweeden talk. What a fvckin idiot I am.
I thought/hoped Moussa could block shots, rebound and develop a nice little 10 footer. LOL, good call.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah these are all great examples of why the older, slightly less stupid, me withholds judgment on almost all incoming basketball recruits until I have actually seen them play. I want to believe that Oats is significantly better at player development than anyone we have had since Wimp, but I will actually believe it when I see it.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:36 pm to Robot Santa
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Yeah these are all great examples of why the older, slightly less stupid, me withholds judgment on almost all incoming basketball recruits until I have actually seen them play. I want to believe that Oats is significantly better at player development than anyone we have had since Wimp, but I will actually believe it when I see it.
100% agree on both. There were ups and downs this year, but our guys showed more individual development year over year (and during the year) than any group I've ever seen at Alabama. Petty and Herb specifically, plus the way Shack was brought along.
I definitely buy into Oats abilities there.
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