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Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:13 pm to stomp
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The United States has been widely criticized for its approach to the coronavirus pandemic, and the lack of strict nationwide measures to contain the outbreak is reflected in the highest number of cases and deaths in the world.
Yet even countries lauded for their fast and effective responses to Covid-19 are seeing large outbreaks and resurgences of the infection, as it becomes clear that successes in containing the virus are often only temporary.
CNN
Hong Kong, Australia, Japan and Israel seeing cases dramatically increase too.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:18 pm to TideSaint
I mean Australia had 289 cases today in the entire country. Their jump is from less than 20 nationwide to around 300 nationwide.
Alabama had 1,793 new cases alone.
Alabama had 1,793 new cases alone.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean Australia had 289 cases today in the entire country.
Alabama had 1,793 new cases alone.
The number of cases isn't the point of the article. It's the surge in cases.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:20 pm to TideSaint
It's going to pop up regionally around the world for forever. The key is not letting it overwhelm you to the point where you can't trace cases or sources.
It will break out again in the Northeast and Northwest at some point after it starts to slowly descend back down in the Sun Belt, too. It's just a matter of time. Which is why being a pompous dipshit like much of the world and northeast have been with their figurative "Mission Accomplished" banners is such a shortsighted and boneheaded move.
It will break out again in the Northeast and Northwest at some point after it starts to slowly descend back down in the Sun Belt, too. It's just a matter of time. Which is why being a pompous dipshit like much of the world and northeast have been with their figurative "Mission Accomplished" banners is such a shortsighted and boneheaded move.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:29 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Which is why being a pompous dipshit like much of the world and northeast have been with their figurative "Mission Accomplished" banners is such a shortsighted and boneheaded move.
I saw an interview the other day with Brian Kemp where he was asked if he wanted to respond to the criticism Cuomo threw his way regarding opening too soon. He didn't take the bait and gave a very respectful answer.
I think he might end up coming out much, much better than Cuomo when it's all said and done.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:32 pm to TideSaint
New CDC guidelines say people with mild to moderate COVID-19 only need to isolate 10 days
So the number of cases doesn't matter.
Stomp, it appears you can put down the rusty fishing knife.
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People who have had mild to moderate COVID-19 can come out of isolation after 10 days and don't need to be retested before going back to work, new CDC guidelines say.
Symptoms, not testing, are the guide. If patients had a fever, it needs to have been gone for at least 24 hours.
So the number of cases doesn't matter.
Stomp, it appears you can put down the rusty fishing knife.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:04 pm to TideSaint
I think the case numbers and the deaths lend much credence to the evidence that the virus has mutated to a more contagious but less virulent form. It’s spreading way too easily now, even in areas that aren’t densely populated. The deaths have risen some, but not in proportion to the case loads. Some of that can be attributed to better treatments but some of it is just a less deadly bug.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:21 am to phil4bama
Science such as it is has not suggested that it is less virulent.
The reason for less deaths may be as simple as old people like me are cowering in their homes.
The reason for less deaths may be as simple as old people like me are cowering in their homes.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:52 am to rcbama
The greatest Covid-19 miscalculation in America:
That there is an actual "tradeoff" that exists between beating the pandemic and restoring the economy.
That there is an actual "tradeoff" that exists between beating the pandemic and restoring the economy.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:52 am to bamameister
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The greatest Covid-19 miscalculation in America:
That there is an actual "tradeoff" that exists between beating the pandemic and restoring the economy.
Please point out the step you disagree with in the reasoning below:
1) people staying home will slow the spread of 'rona
2) slowing the spread buys time for treatment and/or vaccines that can save the lives of the most at-risk.
3) people staying home slows/weakens the economy
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:17 am to rcbama
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Science such as it is has not suggested that it is less virulent.
The reason for less deaths may be as simple as old people like me are cowering in their homes.
Yes, it's certainly possible. There are a ton of older folks and those with serious conditions that are now being extremely vigilant whereas the March surge -- even though it should not have been such a surprise -- blindsided communities.
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That there is an actual "tradeoff" that exists between beating the pandemic and restoring the economy.
Completely agree. People keep framing this as some simple "Either/Or" question when the only way the economy really recovers goes hand in hand with keeping Covid under control.
It's a question of degrees.
Slowly re-opening places may actually fare much better economically in the long run than those that went pedal to the metal and now have surges well beyond tracing/containing capacity.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:20 am to wm72
Can someone help a guy out ? There was a chart that showed between 1-10 the risk factors fir catching Covid . Like s hooks was a 6, churches 8 or 9 etc. it was in a thread somewhere and my search is not good 
Found it !!
Found it !!
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:31 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:30 am to Bear88
This is one I remember seeing somewhere.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:32 am to wm72
Yes, thanks that is it
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:42 am to biclops
COVID-19 is a pandemic that you don't eliminate, you mitigate. So ultimate success is relative. I wouldn't argue with any of your choices as far as being relevant.
There is enough data at this point to suggest that "business as usual" as we are defining it in our country is now, officially, our definition of "mitigating" the COVID-19 disease. Researchers have concluded that at this rate of ongoing contamination 80% of the public will eventually catch the disease with over 2 million losing their lives in this country. Personally, whether those stats hold up or not, the daily figures affecting our states at this time are frightening.
We are picking our poison here. And the ongoing determination to get back to business as normal, as we see it, is untimely and extremely unfortunate for those who will not survive the experiment.
There is enough data at this point to suggest that "business as usual" as we are defining it in our country is now, officially, our definition of "mitigating" the COVID-19 disease. Researchers have concluded that at this rate of ongoing contamination 80% of the public will eventually catch the disease with over 2 million losing their lives in this country. Personally, whether those stats hold up or not, the daily figures affecting our states at this time are frightening.
We are picking our poison here. And the ongoing determination to get back to business as normal, as we see it, is untimely and extremely unfortunate for those who will not survive the experiment.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 11:54 am to bamameister
I disagree with some of those numbers that Texas put out. I guess that's probably just crunching the numbers they have and coming up with a relative risk factor, but a lot of that risk factor is dependent on your behavior while attempting one of those actions on the graph. Some of the actions on there, I can't argue with the risk. Others though, if you wear a mask and social distance, I think could make some of those 5's and 6's more like a 2 or 3. It all depends on how you act while doing what you're doing.
And I'm going to get on my soapbox here for a minute, but I'm having a shitty week and dammit, I'm going to vent. If it weren't so damn frustrating and perplexing, it would be comical, but I can't wrap my head around this philosophy that wearing a mask is an infringement on your rights and freedoms. Why do I say that? Go watch the movie "Enemy of the State" with Gene Hackman and Will Smith. Pretty much everything in that movie is accurate as far as tracking, tracing, and monitoring. Now realize that that movie was made 22 years ago! So how much "freedom" do you really think you have? Your freedom is at the mercy of our government agencies and could be taken away in a New York second. In today's society, you are under surveillance 24/7/365 by someone or something. There are cell phone pings/traces, traffic cameras, satellite images, electronic transaction tracing, you name it. If Big Brother wants you to disappear, good luck, you're on borrowed time and not much of it. And that's right here in the good ole USA. Imagine what it's like in a totalitarian regime. I say all that to say if you think wearing a mask is an intrusion on your personal freedoms, you need to do some thinking because you have a very incomplete or twisted idea of freedom.
And I'm going to get on my soapbox here for a minute, but I'm having a shitty week and dammit, I'm going to vent. If it weren't so damn frustrating and perplexing, it would be comical, but I can't wrap my head around this philosophy that wearing a mask is an infringement on your rights and freedoms. Why do I say that? Go watch the movie "Enemy of the State" with Gene Hackman and Will Smith. Pretty much everything in that movie is accurate as far as tracking, tracing, and monitoring. Now realize that that movie was made 22 years ago! So how much "freedom" do you really think you have? Your freedom is at the mercy of our government agencies and could be taken away in a New York second. In today's society, you are under surveillance 24/7/365 by someone or something. There are cell phone pings/traces, traffic cameras, satellite images, electronic transaction tracing, you name it. If Big Brother wants you to disappear, good luck, you're on borrowed time and not much of it. And that's right here in the good ole USA. Imagine what it's like in a totalitarian regime. I say all that to say if you think wearing a mask is an intrusion on your personal freedoms, you need to do some thinking because you have a very incomplete or twisted idea of freedom.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:17 pm to phil4bama
Speed limits would be as infringing as masks. Why do we have them. We have them for the common good. Don't see any difference.
I see the argument here as well as other places that people die all the time. The question then is would you prevent it if you could?
I see the argument here as well as other places that people die all the time. The question then is would you prevent it if you could?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 3:26 pm to rcbama
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