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Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:27 pm to
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I mean, Jesus, we’ve politicized a pandemic and the case figures for it.


Exactly, we don’t know what to fricking believe.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3771 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 3:49 am to
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 I mean, Jesus, we’ve politicized a pandemic and the case figures for it. Does that not speak to how broken and disgusting our society has become?


I don't think "we" did but at risk of rustling others I'll leave it be.

Anyway, hopefully we see better numbers next week. I for one am nerve-racked due to having had multiple family members in the hospital with this mess (including my mother), and now a close friend's parent is on a ventilator at UAB.

Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16160 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:30 am to
I hope your family and friends get better stomp.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:18 am to
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Even my favorite slackjawed redneck moron Brian Kemp admitted today that masks definitely work after filing a lawsuit against the city of Atlanta for requiring people to wear masks. He's so pathetic it makes me want to kick anyone who voted for him in the shins. I mean yeah Abrams was no peach herself, but goddamn he's one sorry, stupid motherfricker.


And I have made my last trip behind Georgia lines because of it. The governors are really pushing common sense when their states are on fire.

Asking some of these governors to see something that simple and preventive and you would think these people's civil rights have been violated. Meanwhile, Governors in Georgia and in Florida are choosing to continue to try to beat out a forest fire with a hickory twig.

The governor in Oklahoma that recently showed his state how not to wear a mask at a recent presidential rally just got himself a case of COVID-19. Anyone who works that hard at something should be rewarded personally.










Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46175 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

The governors are really pushing common sense when their states are on fire.


Kemp had the audacity to accuse other people of playing politics when he's the one literally suing municipalities in his own state over something that falls under the same legal principle as a seatbelt law. Even the Dim Reaper DeSantis isn't going that far.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11864 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 1:32 pm to
I want someone to explain to me how DeStupid attended Yale then Harvard Law.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4327 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 1:41 pm to
I generally assume it has something to do with money.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3771 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 2:23 pm to
CDC releases new report on mask usage outcomes.

Among 139 clients exposed to two symptomatic hair stylists with confirmed COVID-19 while both the stylists and the clients wore face masks, no symptomatic secondary cases were reported; among 67 clients tested for SARS-CoV-2, all test results were negative.

LINK
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16160 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

Kemp had the audacity to accuse other people of playing politics when he's the one literally suing municipalities in his own state over something that falls under the same legal principle as a seatbelt law. Even the Dim Reaper DeSantis isn't going that far.




I don't keep up with Georgia that much and know even less about Georgia law, but is it a sovereignty issue? You used the seatbelt law analogy - in Alabama the law says that a locality can't legislate an issue already covered in state code so a city can't go pass their own seat belt laws.

If there's some issue like that where Georgia law says 'thou shalt not do x' and these cities did it anyhow, he's got an obligation to challenge them.

Don't know if that's the case or not - if it's not then he's playing pure politics for no reason. Even if that's the case nothing would prevent them from implementing a state level mask order like meemaw did here.

I'm really curious what happens to Alabama's numbers over the next couple of weeks. I went to Wal-Mart today for the first time since our order. Everyone had a mask and the customers appeared to be wearing them but most of the EMPLOYEES were wearing them wrong - most had the nose exposed. The lady checking to make sure customers entering had a mask was wearing hers on her chin. That's not how it works folks.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46175 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:46 pm to
quote:


I don't keep up with Georgia that much and know even less about Georgia law, but is it a sovereignty issue? You used the seatbelt law analogy - in Alabama the law says that a locality can't legislate an issue already covered in state code so a city can't go pass their own seat belt laws.

If there's some issue like that where Georgia law says 'thou shalt not do x' and these cities did it anyhow, he's got an obligation to challenge them


He's arguing that it's a preemption issue, but that's just a really dubious position. The dispute is over an executive order, not a law, that doesn't even specifically mention masks. It says it supercedes all local measures though, so Kemp claims the mask ordinances are illegal because the cities didn't have the authority to enact them in the first place.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16160 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 7:53 pm to
That sounds like shaky ground then and it makes me lean to political motives.

Issue an executive order one way or the other on masks, save the court’s time and the people’s money. Doesn’t seem that hard to me.
Posted by Diogenes
Woodstock, Georgia
Member since Nov 2013
60 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 8:25 pm to
If you can’t tell right from wrong, then even the truth won’t set you free.
This post was edited on 7/18/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Diogenes
Woodstock, Georgia
Member since Nov 2013
60 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 8:42 pm to
Younger people aged 10 to 19 years old are more likely than other age groups to spread the coronavirus in their household, according to a large contact tracing study in South Korea soon to be published by the Centers for Disease Control, a concerning sign as U.S. school districts weigh whether to reopen for in-person classes in the fall.

KEY FACTS

The study is an early release of a forthcoming article in Emerging Infectious Diseases, a peer-reviewed journal published by the CDC.

Researchers followed 5,706 coronavirus patients from January 20 to March 27—when schools in South Korea were closed—who were the first to report COVID-19 symptoms in their household and traced all of their contacts to determine how the virus spread.


The study found that young people, between the ages of 10 to 19, were not often the first in their household to show symptoms—but when they were, 18.6% of their contacts contracted the disease, which is more than any other age group.

By contrast, children 9 years old and younger were the least likely group to spread coronavirus in their household, with 5.3% of their contacts—which represents three people—testing positive.

The second-most likely age group to spread the coronavirus in their household are older adults 70-79, who had 18% of their household contacts become infected (60-69 year olds follow with 17%).

Outside the household, older people between the ages of 70 and 79 were the most likely to spread the disease, with 4.8% of their non-household contacts becoming infected.

The authors say the study has limitations, such as the fact that all asymptomatic cases may not have been identified, but Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told the New York Times that this is “one of the best studies we’ve had to date on this issue.”

CRUCIAL QUOTE

“We showed that household transmission of SARS-CoV-2 was high if the index patient was 10–19 years of age,” the study says. “... The role of household transmission of SARS-CoV-2 amid reopening of schools and loosening of social distancing underscores the need for a time-sensitive epidemiologic study to guide public health policy.”
Posted by rcbama
birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
285 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:36 pm to
This goes back to we don't know enough about this disease.
Some of us think we do but we don't.

At this point, you can find a study or doctor that will side with any belief you have or like wise counter any belief.

I have literally watched back to back interviews with one doctor swearing masks are a big help and the next doctor saying they really don't help at all. Who knows? I wear one because it might help.

We all expect the "experts to know." They don't. We should not really expect them to know. We have only been exposed to this for a few months starting from ground zero.

I think they are doing the best they can but contradictory reports and media trying to prove their point of view one way or the other is not helping the public.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:43 pm to
I agree with all of this
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11864 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:56 pm to
Yet another study presenting a drug that’s been around forever as potentially blocking Covid. Since it’s old, ubiquitous, and cheap it will be discredited posthaste.

LINK
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:58 pm to
You’re exactly right. Or there will be an unreal markup on the price
Posted by Diogenes
Woodstock, Georgia
Member since Nov 2013
60 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
The story that rings most true is vaccines aren’t profit centers for pharmaceuticals. When a vaccine works it’s a single dose instead of recurring revenue. If you jack up the price you’re ostracized by the public and investigated by the government.

What pharmaceuticals are interested in is a treatment that requires monthly dosages.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13170 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

The story that rings most true is vaccines aren’t profit centers for pharmaceuticals. When a vaccine works it’s a single dose instead of recurring revenue. If you jack up the price you’re ostracized by the public and investigated by the government.

What pharmaceuticals are interested in is a treatment that requires monthly dosages.


Hence how they created a vaccine for the flu so that every year you have to get an updated vaccine. That is what will happen for this virus as well.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13170 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 10:53 pm to
This is the concern for colleges:

quote:

“In these trends, we are seeing the impact of our collective decisions. We are jeopardizing the gains we made as a state,” Washington state Health Secretary John Wiesman said Friday, pointing to an increase in hospitalizations among people between the ages of 20 and 39. “[T]he actions each one of us takes now will determine what happens next.”

In early June, just 10 percent of those who tested positive in Rhode Island were in their 20s. By the end of the month, that share had doubled. The average age of a Rhode Islander who tests positive fell from 47.5 years old to 39.2 years old in a week.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said this week the percentage of those under 35 testing positive for the virus is now 84 percent higher than it is for those over 35.

In New Mexico, 44 percent of those who are testing positive for the virus are under 30 years old, according to state health data. In Illinois, there are more infections among people aged 20-29 than among any other age group. In California, those in their 20s make up the largest cohort of cases, followed closely by people in their 30s.


quote:

“One of the pieces of good news within this pandemic is that thankfully younger people are at lower risk of having severe disease, of being hospitalized and of dying from [COVID-19]. But the risk isn’t zero,” said Richard Besser, a former acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who now heads the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

The risk extends beyond death, too. Preliminary studies have also hinted at the potential for long-term damage to the hearts, lungs and brains of those who survive the disease.




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