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Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:25 pm to TideSaint
Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:25 pm to TideSaint
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I don't want this to get political, but the younger folks were the ones gathering en masse to protest and loot, too.
Now should be the start of the period where protest gatherings would begin to show but more likely in next week.
Since it's mainly young people protesting without social distancing protocols, spread from that may be a little longer in showing up.
So far, the states with big surges are mainly Sunbelt ones that had precarious Rt (rate of infection) numbers for weeks and the northeast states with low recent Rt numbers aren't seeing the effects yet.
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
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So what, cops are going to go around and stopping people for not wearing masks?
Montgomery PD is currently playing catch and release for pretty much any non-felony offense right now. I really doubt they write many tickets for no mask.
This isn't meant to be a political statement, just fact. The effect of this executive order will be minimal at best. At the council meeting, Dr. Saliski stated 90% of the critically ill patients in Montgomery hospitals were black. The patients aren't coming from Pike Road or the east side, they're coming from the poorer parts of town but given the current political situation there's no way anyone in LE is going to focus on those areas and risk a confrontation over a mask.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:59 pm to Section 80
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What does his daughter passing away from cancer have to do with wearing a mask for this virus?
I think what he's saying is that he would do anything to have one more day with his daughter and if requiring a mask gives someone else another day with their loved one then he would be glad to do it.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:53 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I’ve seen plenty of people, not just young, going about like pre-covid.
Travel baseball & softball have both been back in action for a couple weeks now. No social distancing either.
Media never should have released the demographic impacts. Once this became perceived as something hurting minority & elders, most of everyone else shrugged it off.
Sickening
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:06 pm to stomp
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Media never should have released the demographic impacts. Once this became perceived as something hurting minority & elders, most of everyone else shrugged it off.
It wasn't just the media focusing on the demographics.
Several African American celebrities spoke out on how it was affecting their communities.
I mean, it's not a lie. The Coronavirus is hitting the AA community harder than others.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:23 pm to stomp
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Media never should have released the demographic impacts. Once this became perceived as something hurting minority & elders, most of everyone else shrugged it off.
I understand what you are saying but that’s a double edged sword.
If you have populations that are at a significantly higher risk of dying from anything it is morally irresponsible not to tell those groups. They deserve to know so they can protect themselves.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:43 pm to JustGetItRight
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Media never should have released the demographic impacts. Once this became perceived as something hurting minority & elders, most of everyone else shrugged it off.
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I understand what you are saying but that’s a double edged sword.
If you have populations that are at a significantly higher risk of dying from anything it is morally irresponsible not to tell those groups. They deserve to know so they can protect themselves.
Agree. If there's people/officials taking it less seriously based on who is hardest hit that's a problem with those people and not the media's fault as long as they are providing accurate, scientific information.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 10:49 pm to wm72
And Florida continues to explode; 3,207 new cases Thursday, a new daily high. Some scientists are warning their models show Florida as the next Covid epicenter. Critical care beds in the state are already 75% full and cases are rising rapidly. It’s about to spin out of control here. DeSantis will resist the facts and shirk his responsibilities until it’s too late. He wants local officials to make the call to walk back some of the reopenings so they are the bad guys. Mask ordinances should be popping up any time. The Miami mayor has already stated they are going to get tough on people ignoring the precautions. Y’all say a prayer and stay safe. I think we’re about to have a bad summer.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 6:34 am to phil4bama
More bad news: a study out of China (so take with a large grain of salt) says that antibodies for Covid only last for a few months if you are asymptomatic. It is amazing and a little puzzling to me that despite the intense study, we still don’t seem to have much of a handle on how the body’s defenses respond to and remember this invader. This study showed that in asymptomatics, antibodies were pretty much undetectable after just a few months. It stopped short of concluding that immunity was absent, but it’s not reassuring.
It’s certainly not out of the question that humans cannot maintain immunity to Covid. The coronavirus family is responsible for a significant percentage of the common colds we all get from time to time and we never seem to develop an immunity to them. What this means for the vaccine effort is unclear but it’s not good.
It’s certainly not out of the question that humans cannot maintain immunity to Covid. The coronavirus family is responsible for a significant percentage of the common colds we all get from time to time and we never seem to develop an immunity to them. What this means for the vaccine effort is unclear but it’s not good.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 7:32 am to phil4bama
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More bad news: a study out of China (so take with a large grain of salt) says that antibodies for Covid only last for a few months if you are asymptomatic. It is amazing and a little puzzling to me that despite the intense study, we still don’t seem to have much of a handle on how the body’s defenses respond to and remember this invader. This study showed that in asymptomatics, antibodies were pretty much undetectable after just a few months. It stopped short of concluding that immunity was absent, but it’s not reassuring.
It’s certainly not out of the question that humans cannot maintain immunity to Covid. The coronavirus family is responsible for a significant percentage of the common colds we all get from time to time and we never seem to develop an immunity to them. What this means for the vaccine effort is unclear but it’s not good.
I posted on here last month that I had a serious sinus infection that felt like I had the flu as well in February. I was tested for the flu but came back negative. When I went to the VA last month to get tested for the virus I talked to my doctor about the February issue and asked should I get the antibody test. I was told if I had it in February the antibody test would more likely test negative because it had been several months and trace would be found.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 11:34 am to TideSaint
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I don't want this to get political, but the younger folks were the ones gathering en masse to protest and loot, too.
They were also taking trips to the beaches and partying on Memorial Day weekend
Posted on 6/19/20 at 11:38 am to TideSaint
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It wasn't just the media focusing on the demographics.
Several African American celebrities spoke out on how it was affecting their communities.
I mean, it's not a lie. The Coronavirus is hitting the AA community harder than others.
True. I just hate that everything's so relaxed now. There was a smart way to reopen everything but it requires everyone being smart instead of selfish or spiteful
Posted on 6/19/20 at 11:43 am to phil4bama
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More bad news: a study out of China (so take with a large grain of salt) says that antibodies for Covid only last for a few months if you are asymptomatic. It is amazing and a little puzzling to me that despite the intense study, we still don’t seem to have much of a handle on how the body’s defenses respond to and remember this invader. This study showed that in asymptomatics, antibodies were pretty much undetectable after just a few months. It stopped short of concluding that immunity was absent, but it’s not reassuring.
It’s certainly not out of the question that humans cannot maintain immunity to Covid. The coronavirus family is responsible for a significant percentage of the common colds we all get from time to time and we never seem to develop an immunity to them. What this means for the vaccine effort is unclear but it’s not good.
I was never under the impression that a rushed vaccine would be effective enough and taken by enough people to impact cases. Too many people would be skeptical and the conspiracy guzzlers wouldn't touch it even if it were safe and effective.
Our best hope hinges on existing medications working to contain severity. There's hope of this now that more research is finding that the most dangerous element of the virus is showing signs of being contained by existing steroids and blood thinners.
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This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:09 pm to stomp
Were heading back to another shutdown at this rate. NC is now reporting its highest numbers of hospitalizations. States that see a lot of tourists for beaches and whatnot are rising. By July I would not be surprised to see us back where we were in April and another attempt to reopen after Labor Day.
Also finally finally seeing areas enforced the face mask with $500 fines being issued.
Also finally finally seeing areas enforced the face mask with $500 fines being issued.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:19 pm to TideWarrior
And today Florida’s new cases jumped by nearly 4,000. The Rt rate is climbing. This is what we all feared. If Florida doesn’t clamp down hard with at least the precautionary measures, and quickly, Florida will be New York v 2.0
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:21 pm to phil4bama
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And today Florida’s new cases jumped by nearly 4,000. The Rt rate is climbing. This is what we all feared. If Florida doesn’t clamp down hard with at least the precautionary measures, and quickly, Florida will be New York v 2.0
Eh, Florida's hospitalization rate is barely moving up. Florida has a pretty simple explanation - those who need hospitals and could die from COVID are being very cautious and not putting themselves in situations where they can get sick. Young people, on the other hand, are just doing whatever the hell they want, and they are increasingly spreading the disease.
So, while it isn't GOOD to have the disease spreading like that, it also isn't nearly as bad as some other places where it seems to be spreading across the population - leading to hospitalizations going up and up and up (specifically Texas and Arizona).
However, the large number of Americans who have just decided that they don't want to deal with this anymore and are completely going back to their lives pre-COVID are absolutely extending this and giving it more steam. Luckily the part of the populace that is the most at risk are being very cautious about it, and that is keeping deaths on the decline, but there will be a tipping point where the mass population breaks that bubble.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/19/20 at 3:07 pm to stomp
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True. I just hate that everything's so relaxed now. There was a smart way to reopen everything but it requires everyone being smart instead of selfish or spiteful
wm72 hit it earlier.
Except for NY and the surrounding area, the problem now is the level of overreaction that occurred at the front end.
Most of this country should have never, ever locked down like they did. The numbers didn't support the severity of the governmental reaction. If they'd mandated social distancing, limited capacities, and required masks back then we'd be in the same place if not better and the public wouldn't be saying fvvck you to simple things like masks now.
Doesn't really matter now. You aren't locking things back down. People simply won't tolerate it.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/19/20 at 3:15 pm to JustGetItRight
People just have no desier to hear it, but all of these sports seasons are that are set to begin in late July - September are going to deal with all sorts of issues.
As in, teams basically being gutted from competing due to illness and quarantine issues. I have no idea if leagues would just stop play, but there are going to be some teams that have their season completed wrecked by losing 11 starters for 2 weeks or something like that. It's just inevitable.
As in, teams basically being gutted from competing due to illness and quarantine issues. I have no idea if leagues would just stop play, but there are going to be some teams that have their season completed wrecked by losing 11 starters for 2 weeks or something like that. It's just inevitable.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 3:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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People just have no desier to hear it, but all of these sports seasons are that are set to begin in late July - September are going to deal with all sorts of issues.
I'm preparing to fill my fall calendar at the fishing holes. Just don't see a path to a suitable football season with people treating masks and leisure like political statements.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/19/20 at 3:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Eh, Florida's hospitalization rate is barely moving up. Florida has a pretty simple explanation - those who need hospitals and could die from COVID are being very cautious and not putting themselves in situations where they can get sick. Young people, on the other hand, are just doing whatever the hell they want, and they are increasingly spreading the disease.
George, according to the news report I heard, several hospitals down south have already hit 100% critical care capacity. Maybe it's just a Miami area thing.
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