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re: Alabama Basketball: 2016 (and beyond) Recruiting
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:40 pm to Tide or Die87
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:40 pm to Tide or Die87
Yea that's big news Reese is about to be on campus
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:13 pm to BigBird09
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If Retin left after his junior year
Retin was already a great athlete. He just had to refine things in his game to hit another level. Coleman would have had to make a very significant jump at his size to really turn in to an awesome player. He largely lacked all of the go to moves required to be awesome at that size. Floaters, pull up jumpers, etc.
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Just because someone transfers to a mid-major doesn't mean they belong there.
Samford is a lower level than that.
I had a teammate go and play there. It was nearly impossible to even check in on how he was playing because of the lack of coverage.
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I'd be surprised if Coleman didn't have a stat line of 15+ ppg and 4+ APG before the end of his career.
Or he could have continued to play behind Dazon and all of the other guys we are going to try to recruit to that position.
I'd rather Avery continue to try to recruit awesome players more so than hope some of these guys just figure it out down the road.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:15 pm to RedElephants
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And for the person that said Riley Norris is overrated...maybe his play isn't the best or flashiest, but nobody on the team gives more effort than that guy.
But that is exactly what I am talking about. People try to act like he is something more than a meh glue guy that tries hard and occasionally gets hot from 3.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:38 pm to RTR America
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He largely lacked all of the go to moves required to be awesome at that size. Floaters, pull up jumpers, etc.
Dumb statement IMO...when you are 5'10 or under you automatically learn those things if you played basketball your entire life. Really don't understand how you can say he doesn't have those tools. Kid has skills, just needed consistency. Also where you transfer means nothing....Justin Know went to North Carolina...
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:44 pm to Tide or Die87
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Dumb statement IMO...when you are 5'10 or under you automatically learn those things if you played basketball your entire life. Really don't understand how you can say he doesn't have those tools.
He wouldn't have shot sub 30% on 2pt FG's if he did.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:52 pm to RTR America
shite happens...he wouldn't averaged close to or 30 points a game in high school at that size. Its a reason he was shooting the shots he did during the games even though they weren't falling.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:16 pm to RTR America
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Retin was already a great athlete. He just had to refine things in his game to hit another level. Coleman would have had to make a very significant jump at his size to really turn in to an awesome player. He largely lacked all of the go to moves required to be awesome at that size. Floaters, pull up jumpers, etc.
Retin "lacked" pull-up jumpers and floaters as well until his senior year where he looked like a pro at them. The reason I put that into quotations is all Retin really lacked was confidence. Justin was eerily similar in that regard. He was a pull up and floater specialist in HS. He was also a great shooter. You don't just lose those abilities. When a player is very streaky, but capable of going off like Justin could, the culprit is almost always a lack of confidence.
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He wouldn't have shot sub 30% on 2pt FG's if he did.
Not sure where you got that. He shot around 35% from that range.
Coleman frustrated me at times because I knew how well he could play, even though he'd seldom show it. He was still a key player on this team because of his late game FT heroics. Regardless of whether or not you ever thought he was going to turn it around, it's never a good thing to lose a 90+% FT shooter.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:25 pm to RTR America
I actually agree with RTR, I don't think Coleman belonged in the SEC. If Avery thought he could get more out of him, he would still be at Bama.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:30 pm to Cobrasize
I'll just simplify it this way. I believe in our offense, Corban will be better overall than Coleman was. He'll get better looks (and not asked to be a volume scorer) than he did at Morehouse State, just like Arthur Edwards. He's better for what we do.
Maybe Coleman has success at Samford. I hope he does. But Collins should help a good bit for this next year. He should also be a much better defender.
Maybe Coleman has success at Samford. I hope he does. But Collins should help a good bit for this next year. He should also be a much better defender.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:37 pm to BigBird09
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Retin "lacked" pull-up jumpers and floaters as well until his senior year where he looked like a pro at them.
Not really. He got better at shooting three's and used his athletic build to finish through contact.
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He was a pull up and floater specialist in HS. He was also a great shooter. You don't just lose those abilities.
Almost as if he we suddenly going up against bigger and better defenders.
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When a player is very streaky, but capable of going off like Justin could, the culprit is almost always a lack of confidence.
Plenty of streaky shooters out there with plenty of confidence. Plus he scored 15+ 5 times in his 2 seasons here. I don't know if that classifies as capable of going off.
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Not sure where you got that. He shot around 35% from that range.
Misremembered the stat. It is apparently his overall FG& I was thinking of. Still painfully dreadful.
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He was still a key player on this team because of his late game FT heroics. Regardless of whether or not you ever thought he was going to turn it around, it's never a good thing to lose a 90+% FT shooter.
Really don't find that meaningful at all tbh. I have faith that we can find one person on the roster who can make a couple free throws late. He attempted less than 3 of them a game.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:44 am to Cobrasize
I'm willing to bet if Coleman was OK with being a backup he would still be here. Just my opinion. Really don't understand he isn't a SEC type caliber player. Don't know if you guys have played or not but I'm pretty sure the PG from Kentucky who was the SEC player of the year would struggle on our team with not a lot of options other than retin.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:18 am to RTR America
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Not really. He got better at shooting three's and used his athletic build to finish through contact
Yes, really. Outside of his quick first step and beating people to the rim, Retin didn't have much inside the arc and floaters until his senior year. He also improved his finishing ability as well. He actually improved his 3pt shooting his junior year. It's like people forget that Retin was the guard everyone got frustrated with before Coleman.
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Almost as if he we suddenly going up against bigger and better defenders.
Almost as if this goes back to my original point. The jump in size affects smaller guards more than anybody else. They need more time to adjust.
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Really don't find that meaningful at all tbh. I have faith that we can find one person on the roster who can make a couple free throws late. He attempted less than 3 of them a game.
It probably won us at least a couple of games last year. He shot less than 3 a game because he wasn't aggressive enough on the drive and rarely got fouled. In most situations he only sent to the line when they were in the bonus and when we were closing out games. You have a lot more faith in our FT shooting than I. Davis improved to around 80% FT last year (low 70s previous year) in JUCO, but outside of that we might be subbing in a walk-on who's likely completely cold to hit our clutch FTs. That's scary.
It's clear we don't see eye to eye on Coleman, and nobody is going to change. To each their own.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 7:25 am
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:48 am to BigBird09
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 8:57 am to Tide or Die87
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I'm pretty sure the PG from Kentucky who was the SEC player of the year would struggle on our team with not a lot of options other than retin.
We would have made the tournament if we had Ulis. He was the best PG in the country this past season. Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:18 am to RTR America
Murray or Ulis.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:51 am to RTR America
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We would have made the tournament if we had Ulis.
When he said that I literally shut my computer and walked away shaking my head.
Put Ulis on Alabama's roster this past season and they're a tournament team. He would've immediately been our best player.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:03 am to VirgilCaine
We wouldn't be that much better. Kid is 5'8 with no help. All you have to do is focus the defense on him and he is done. Difference is you can't do that at Kentucky he has help. Your only as good as the players around you...
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:34 am to Tide or Die87
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We wouldn't be that much better.
So you're saying we wouldn't have been much better with a 5* McDonalds All American PG on the roster last year?
You're out of your mind...
We probably could have made the dance with a healthy Dazon....much less the best PG in the nation.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:59 am to RedElephants
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:42 pm to Tide or Die87
quote:No. He would have made it easy for OB at least. JC couldn't do because he doesn't have the skill set Ulis has. Ulis can ball
We wouldn't be that much better. Kid is 5'8 with no help. All you have to do is focus the defense on him and he is done. Difference is you can't do that at Kentucky he has help. Your only as good as the players around you...
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