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Posted on 7/7/19 at 9:46 am to Vidic
Posted on 7/7/19 at 9:46 am to Vidic
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Give me the better WR, not one that’s taller.
I agree. For example:
4* WR EJ Williams 6-3/188 AL hudl
Ranking: #23 WR, #105 player, #5 in AL
40-yard dash: 4.66 seconds
Short shuttle: 4.28 seconds
Vertical jump: 36.9 inches
75" tall + 36.9" jump = 111.9"
4* WR Jermaine Burton 6-0.5/190 CA hudl
Ranking: #8 WR, #49 player, #7 in CA
40-yard dash: 4.43 seconds
Short Shuttle: 3.95 seconds
Vertical jump: 39 inches
72.5" tall + 39" jump = 111.5"
EJ Williams Evaluation (247):
Tall, lean wide receiver with great length. Strong off the line of scrimmage with ability to drive deep down the field. Comfortable with contact and can win contested plays more times than not. Long strides can open up room to operate underneath coverage with strong hand-eye coordination and body control. Wide catch radius. Unafraid of contact but could stand to play more physical game. Good, not great speed or quickness in and out of breaks. In early stages of route progression but effective on 9-cut and inside breaking routes. Can go off speed to break coverage timing off the line. Smart kid with plus situational field awareness. Key cog in downfield passing game for state championship program in Alabama's largest classification. Basketball background. With time in high-end Power 5 program could grow into true possession target with enhanced red zone value. Could prove productive in later stages of college career once polish and bulk are added to the equation. Should be selected in one of the middle rounds of the NFL draft.
Jermaine Burton Evaluation (247)
A very tough, physical player who loves to block and plays with a nice edge in his game. Has the strength to get off press and uses his body well to create separation. Can bully opposing corners and plays with a bit of a chip on his shoulder that rubs some the wrong way but teammates love him. Very nice package of size, speed, hands and play making ability. Can line up anywhere on the field and is among the most versatile pass catchers in the class. Has plus speed and is both dynamic after the catch and able to run past an opposing corner. Has strong hands and does a nice job catching the ball in traffic. Is also a very good return man and should be able to contribute early on as a punt/kick returner. Has all the tools to be a dominant player at the next level and is a natural talent with tremendous upside. Projects as an impact, upper-tier Power 5 starter and future high-round NFL draft pick.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 9:52 am to TideSaint
quote:FIFY. Also, I'd bet that scar tissue goes back a couple years further to aTm and Mike Evans for the true tall WR threat. Reinforced by memories of struggles with Jeffrey in 2010, Coates and Duke Williams (albeit they are a bit shorter at 6' 2") in 2014. And the puckered b-holes on Ole Miss' opening play to DK Metcalf last year... among other examples.
I imagine it has something to do with the way Clemson's big, fast, tall WRs abused our secondary in 2016 and 2018.
quote:coincidentally, the year aTm got the upset, they also had another Clemson-esque thorn in the side of the shorter, whiter, possesion receiver variety in Ryan Swope
I don't care how big they are as long as they catch the ball
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But for some reason everyone is obsessed with a low percentage play the we don’t ever run (jump ball on fade). Give me the better WR, not one that’s taller.
Agreed. But, given Tua's accuracy. It would be an incredible additional option in the red zone at times to create some safer throws. So, I see the appeal. But, as you said, we have and have had that weapon on the roster and rarely see it used... not sure why.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:04 am to phil4bama
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Big tall receivers are certainly a part of that but it’s also an indictment of our DBs not turning and finding the ball so they can defend the pass.
Part of your answer to that is here, from Greg Schiano addressing similar complaints about tOSU CBs:
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When you’re watching Ohio State and you see a pass headed for an opposing receiver and the OSU cornerback never turns his head to look for the ball, you get understandably upset.
They’re right there with great coverage, yet a completion happens right in front of them because they never bothered to look back for the ball.
The only thing more frustrating in sports is a quarterback who can’t throw the ball downfield. But there is method that breeds your madness.
Ignoring the fact that just because you know the ball is coming doesn’t mean the cornerback knows it, there is also coaching and technique that goes into when a corner should be looking back.
How does Ohio State coach the situation? When are they supposed to be looking back for the ball?
“If you are in position where – we call it an ‘advantaged position’, so you’re even with the receiver or you’re over the top of the receiver, then you ‘lean and locate.’ That’s the verbiage,” defensive coordinator Greg Schiano explained.
It is the instances when a corner is not in an advantaged position, however, where they are not supposed to be looking back.
“If you’re behind him, you don’t, because all you’re going to get to see is somebody celebrating over your shoulder because the guy is going to catch the ball,” he said. “Now, part of it is ‘why are you behind?’ ‘Why are you trailing?’ Some coverages are designed that way and others aren’t. So the ones that aren’t, you have to be on top, and that helps a little bit. LINK
Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:12 am to phil4bama
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I’m not bashing you but what is up with everyone’s obsession with big, tall WR’s? You would think with our success at WR our model should be fine. But for some reason everyone is obsessed with a low percentage play the we don’t ever run (jump ball on fade). Give me the better WR, not one that’s taller.
There are times were we need to shrink the field and take advantage of what we have at WR.
what I mean by that was in the title game our first score was getting there weakest part of there defense exposed.
Which we did with Juedy on there SLOW safety.
That could have been used the whole game by going maybe 2, 3 wr sets at max.
That way the field clearer for our Qb.
Not having a tall Wr does not allow us to take safety out of the middle of the field,
because we dont run streaks down the sideline.
There are two WR sets were Smitty and Judey could demand safety help and get Irv isolated on a lb.
That LB now moves out the box and open up our running game even more.
But mainly we dont have a tall wr in the red zone for back corner fades which again draws the safety out the box.
We are running a bunch of crossing and set down patterns in the red zone crowding the field Compared to our offense striking better
about 30 to 35 yards out better vs in the red zone.
It's not about Clemson winning the game it about there offense had all options every pass play compared to our offense.
Not having any 50/50 ball down field plays that would have bailed out the qb like Clemson had.
Keep in mind the plays Mike Williams made in other title game.
Had he not returned after taking that big hit in the first qrt I dont think there offense is the same.
As we need that ability in our offense and hopefully Smitty and Shavers have some sets together.
Because we need to mix up more Smitty and shavers combos with one of Judey, 17 and Ruggs.
I do expect us to get after there Qb more like Texas A&m did if we should meet them again.
But my main point is we need to shrink the field some times with smaller wr sets so
we can take more advantage of what each wr brings to the table.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:14 pm to phil4bama
Well, fortunately for us and unfortunately for Clemson, Savion Smith "ain't walking through that door" this year.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:03 pm to Bama3714
Amen!
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 3:32 pm to Bama3714
I can drink to that!! Amen
Posted on 7/7/19 at 3:51 pm to BamaBo7
Posted on 7/7/19 at 3:56 pm to TidalSurge1
This is Alabama's No. 2-ranked class in its entirety (BamaOnLine)
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Alabama experienced quite the surge on the recruiting trail in the month of June.
The Crimson Tide staff added five big pieces to its 2020 class, vaulting Bama to the No. 2 spot in the 247Sports Composite Team Recruiting Rankings. Nick Saban and company have gained ground on Clemson in the No. 1 spot, a program many didn't believe could be overtaken in the cycle on the recruiting trail after the commitments the Tigers gained to close out the spring. With the new additions came a couple of losses. Both De'Rickey Wright and Dazalin Worsham de-committed from the program last month. Aside from the 2020 class, the Tide also added their first commitment in 2021 via a pledge from four-star cornerback Latrell McCutchin.
BamaOnLine catches you up on each commitment currently in the Tide's 2020 class, and their latest ranking among other details. Take a look.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 4:17 pm to TidalSurge1
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Tino Sunseri @CoachTSunseri · 6m
The fuse is running low.. Get ready for those Explosions.. Tic Tock, Tic Tock... Roll Tide
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:12 pm to TidalSurge1
Emptying the notebook following The Opening Finals (Greg Biggins | 247Sports | segments)
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After a week of seeing some of the top linemen and skill talent in the country, here’s some final observations following The Opening Finals.
More Potential Five Star Wide Receivers?
Two other players who had dominant performances from start to finish were Jermaine Burton and Gee Scott. You have to look hard to find the weakness in Burton’s game as he checks off every box you’re looking for in an elite next level receiver.
At 6-1, 190 pounds the LSU commit has a strong frame and plays a physical game as well. He always plays with a bit of an edge to him and has no problem taking some contact and relishes seeing press coverage. He’s a high level athlete with legit 4.4-4.5 speed and his 3.95 shuttle was one of the best in the camp to go with a 39” vertical jump. He has not just good hands but great hands and finished the event with 17 catches, four touchdowns and zero drops.
Every time we looked up he was running open and could have easily been well over the 20+ catch mark if his quarterback looked for him more. In terms of what you want to see in a receiver from an NFL perspective, Fleming might be the only guy nationally with a better combination of size, athleticism, hands and compete level.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:12 pm to TidalSurge1
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Best Tight End Group in Opening Finals History
This years group of tight ends, down from six to four, was easily the best I’ve seen at this event. I’ll never see another tight end performance at this event like OJ Howard back in 2012 but depth wise, top to bottom, this group was extremely special.
Darnell Washington, Arik Gilbert, Theo Johnson and Michael Mayer at different times, all looked like the best tight end in the country...
Gilbert made our Dream Team following the event and for me, is a five-star prospect, potentially on both sides of the ball. At 6-5, 253 pounds, Gilbert is big for a tight end and although the recent NFL Draft measurable’s show the tight ends that go high are closer to 220 pounds then 250 out of high school, he could be the rare exception. Gilbert went 4.73-40, 4.44 shuttle and jumped 33” in the vertical. He caught the ball effortlessly, many times through contact, can run after the catch and make plays down the field as well as in the possession game. Georgia is a heavy leader for Gilbert at this time...
Washington had a strong week, hauling in 17 passes and three touchdowns, yet somehow was overshadowed a bit by the other three tight ends. I still love his upside and long term potential and it will be interesting to see where he lines up in college. He’s the biggest in the group, weighing in at 6-7.5, 261 pounds. He clocked a 4.75-40, 4.50 shuttle, jumped 31” in the vertical and threw the power ball 51’, one of the five best throws of the testing era. For as big as he is, Washington can move and has one of the biggest catch radius’ I’ve ever seen. Will he continue to grow and if so, will he outgrow the tight end position? That’s the question but if so, it might even make him a better prospect as he could slide over to offensive tackle or defensive end where his potential is very high at both spots.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:12 pm to TidalSurge1
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What Happened to Bryce Young?
Young was our top quarterback the first three days of the event leading up to the 7v7 competition. In the first session of the jamboree, which was just a team’s offense vs defense, Young had the best performance we saw all week, going 18-22 for five touchdowns and making every throw in the book.
When 7v7 action started up, Young played the first two drives, was unable to generate points and was pulled and didn’t see action the rest of the tournament until the final drive of the championship game with his team up four touchdowns. It was a bit head scratching for sure and you have to credit CJ Stroud who stepped in and really impressed the rest of the way.
For us, Young’s ‘benching’ did nothing to hurt him in our eyes and he showed why he’s in the discussion for five-star status and top overall quarterback prospect in the country. He measured in at 5-11, 183 pounds, had a 4.18 shuttle time and jumped 30” in the vertical. Those numbers don’t reflect what a good athlete Young is on the football field. His pocket mobility as well as his ability to improvise outside the pocket and make a play with his arm and his legs is as good as you’ll see.
He graded out very high with the rest of the 247Sports rankings committee in terms of his arm strength, accuracy, touch, decision making and ability to make every throw on the field. The game always looks easy for Young and there really are no red flags or question marks in his game or his NFL upside. Maybe a few years ago, you could question his height as an NFL prospect but with a 5-10 and a 6-0 quarterback going No. 1 overall in the Draft the last two years, those concerns are long gone.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:55 am to TidalSurge1
Per BOL in regards to takeaways coming out of the Opening
ALABAMA IS MORE THAN JUST IN IT FOR BRYCE YOUNG
It’s fair to consider Alabama trending for the nation’s top-ranked dual-threat signal caller, at least that’s the feeling talking to those around The Opening Finals throughout the event. If you caught BOL’s Insider last weekend, we broke down all the reasons to be optimistic as a Crimson Tide fan. Is it a done deal? Absolutely not. Nothing in recruiting comes with a 100 percent guarantee. But as we enter the heart of the summer, it’s becoming clearer as to why the Tide hasn’t moved on any other quarterbacks in the 2020 cycle.
ALABAMA IS MORE THAN JUST IN IT FOR BRYCE YOUNG
It’s fair to consider Alabama trending for the nation’s top-ranked dual-threat signal caller, at least that’s the feeling talking to those around The Opening Finals throughout the event. If you caught BOL’s Insider last weekend, we broke down all the reasons to be optimistic as a Crimson Tide fan. Is it a done deal? Absolutely not. Nothing in recruiting comes with a 100 percent guarantee. But as we enter the heart of the summer, it’s becoming clearer as to why the Tide hasn’t moved on any other quarterbacks in the 2020 cycle.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:10 pm to TidalSurge1
What's all this talk about Zach Evans saying "frick Bama" and apparently one of our RB coaches saying he was too immature? Is there any substance to this or is it some crazy arse fan from another school trying to negative recruit? I can't imagine that a coach on the staff would ever say that about a top 5 player in the country, even if true.
Does anyone know if Hank or Tim have any input on this?
Does anyone know if Hank or Tim have any input on this?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:21 pm to Hawaiian Punch
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What's all this talk about Zach Evans saying "frick Bama" and apparently one of our RB coaches saying he was too immature? Is there any substance to this or is it some crazy arse fan from another school trying to negative recruit? I can't imagine that a coach on the staff would ever say that about a top 5 player in the country, even if true.
Does anyone know if Hank or Tim have any input on this?
From what I've seen so far, it appears that a Geaux247 poster may have been who initially claimed Evans said "F*** Roll Tide" in an Instagram Livestream and also said Evans was pissed because Bama's RB coach told Evans he's too immature to start at RB for Bama. So far it appears that all anyone else has actually seen from Evans is a cryptic post on his Twitter saying "I'm heated af". It appears the other stuff may just be a rumor started by that LSU fan on Geaux247. I seriously doubt Bama's RB coach said that to Evans.
So far, Hank and Tim haven't commented about it, which leads me to think the stuff about the Instagram Livestream is an unsubstantiated rumor.
ETA: I don't use Instagram, but I did some quick research on Instagram Livestream. It's a live chat that the user's followers can view and participate in while it's live. Once it's ended no one can access it unless the user reposts it for replay.
There was a thread on Geaux247 discussing Evan's cryptic tweet "I'm heated af" and only one poster stated what he claimed he'd seen in Evan's Instagram Livestream.
Since no one can see a Livestream that's done, that's a good way to start a rumor like that. Like I said, I've seen no one else post that they saw the same thing in an Evans Livestream.
ETA: Hank's comment about it:
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I did not see the Instagram post made and it doesn't look available to go back and view so I can't really say whether or not it actually happened. I just think some of the fallout we've seen is a bit exaggerated.
Asked one source about it: "Honestly hadn’t heard anything to that effect," the source said about Evans' Instagram. "I think he loves Bama so that would be tough for me to believe."
ETA: Hank posted this morning (Tue 07/09) that he asked Evans if he said that about Bama and Evans told Hank he did not.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:49 pm to TidalSurge1
Steve Wiltfong said in his recruiting chat this morning: "I think A&M for (Zachary) Evans when said and done as it stands now."
This seems somewhat oxymoronic to me: "when said and done as it stands now."
Wiltfong may be following suit with Dawgs247 editor Rusty Mansel who said recently he'd be surprised if Evans doesn't end up at ATM.
ETA: Today Hank said most have felt A&M and Texas were still in it even though Evans left them out of his top 5 (he's since visited both).
This seems somewhat oxymoronic to me: "when said and done as it stands now."
Wiltfong may be following suit with Dawgs247 editor Rusty Mansel who said recently he'd be surprised if Evans doesn't end up at ATM.
ETA: Today Hank said most have felt A&M and Texas were still in it even though Evans left them out of his top 5 (he's since visited both).
This post was edited on 9/14/19 at 12:30 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:25 pm to TidalSurge1
4-star DE Myles Murphy committed to UNC this afternoon, as expected.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:28 pm to TidalSurge1
Hank was asked today who he thinks will be next to commit to Bama. He said he thinks 1 or 2 of Joel Williams, Xavion Alford or Nadab Joseph may pop next.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:32 pm to TidalSurge1
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