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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:07 am to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:07 am to TomRollTideRitter
Good news for selection Sunday that Turner and CBS have decided to announce the field all at once in alphabetical order. We will find out first if we're in.
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:13 am to phil4bama
Probably should define "quantum leap"
Not sure Bama has the players next year to expect to be a "top team" (i.e double bye SEC). I absolutely think Bama has the players to expect to be a 5-8 SEC team (9-11W) safely in the NCAAT come SECT start
So I'd define "quantum leap" as
-Clear improved FT shooting
-Consistent coherent offense
-Consistent teamwork + energy
-Guys looking like theyve hit a jumper before
-Maintain Defense
Bama next year needs to look like a "veteran" team that wins by being well coached + their ability to play as a team
Not sure Bama has the players next year to expect to be a "top team" (i.e double bye SEC). I absolutely think Bama has the players to expect to be a 5-8 SEC team (9-11W) safely in the NCAAT come SECT start
So I'd define "quantum leap" as
-Clear improved FT shooting
-Consistent coherent offense
-Consistent teamwork + energy
-Guys looking like theyve hit a jumper before
-Maintain Defense
Bama next year needs to look like a "veteran" team that wins by being well coached + their ability to play as a team
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:14 am to phil4bama
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Serious question and I’m not predicting anything I’m just speculating. Let’s say chalk holds today and we lose and then despite all the pundits chatter, we get left out of the Dance. Does that change your stance on Avery returning in 2018-19?
Again, I know he’s here next year regardless, I’m just curious if that would change anyone’s opinion on him.
It wouldn't really change my opinion of him, because despite the great feeling it was to win yesterday in the fashion we did, the truth still remains that this team should not even be in the position it's in, fighting and grasping at straws for a place in the NCAA Tournament. 3 weeks ago they had a 92% change to make it in, with a 7 seed almost locked up. It was a disastrous 5 game stretch that was absolutely the worst case scenario at that point.
Avery is going to have to do a lot more than what he's done this year for me to change my opinion of him. And my opinion is that he is a guy with great energy, great ability to recruit talent, but not yet proved he can develop that talent into great ball players, not yet proved he is a great in-game coach, not yet proved that he understands college basketball as a game. The results he had in the NBA still loom large to me.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:20 am to TiderNAL
Lunardi has us in fairly good shape imo. The 10 teams below us on the bubble have all finished playing, and we have a 2 spot cushion to protect from bid stealers.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:26 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Lunardi has us in fairly good shape imo. The 10 teams below us on the bubble have all finished playing, and we have a 2 spot cushion to protect from bid stealers.
Want to win today for multiple reasons on top of just "winning is better than losing"
- a win today guarantees we are in
- a win today probably means we avoid Dayton
- a win today means we have played 2 straight solid games against good teams and continues to build some confidence
- we are playing Auburn
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:30 am to TomRollTideRitter
In the A10, we want Rhode Island to win. St. Bonaventure is tricky because they could fall out if they lose today, but them winning the A10 would prevent a bid from being lost.
In the American, we want Memphis to win to help our RPI a little, and Cincinnati, Wichita State, and Houston to win to prevent bid stealers although Houston losing to UCF would help our RPI a little.
In the Mountain West we want Nevada to win.
In the Pac 12 we want UCLA to lose to Arizona. USC is another bubble team that we probably want to lose, but their loss would give Oregon a shot to steal a bid in the Pac 12 title.
In the SEC we want obviously us to win, and Mississippi State and UGA to lose.
I think that's it. UT-A winning in the Sun Belt would help us out RPI, but those are very small changes at this point.
In the American, we want Memphis to win to help our RPI a little, and Cincinnati, Wichita State, and Houston to win to prevent bid stealers although Houston losing to UCF would help our RPI a little.
In the Mountain West we want Nevada to win.
In the Pac 12 we want UCLA to lose to Arizona. USC is another bubble team that we probably want to lose, but their loss would give Oregon a shot to steal a bid in the Pac 12 title.
In the SEC we want obviously us to win, and Mississippi State and UGA to lose.
I think that's it. UT-A winning in the Sun Belt would help us out RPI, but those are very small changes at this point.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:32 am to The Spleen
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You want to have a bad coaching search process? Fire a guy after just 3 seasons when he's shown improvement each year. You're not going to attract any good coaches with that lack of commitment to them, or if you do they stay one or two seasons until something better comes along.
Spleen, you're forgetting that coaches don't deserve to have any fan commitment at Alabama. Besides, don't pollute the thread with all that logic shite.Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:32 am to TomRollTideRitter
Not sure where the narrative is coming from that we won't have a good roster next year. The thing more than anything that needs to improve will be leadership from the upperclassmen. I'd argue that it'll be the best roster we ve had since Gottfried's tenure. The questions about Avery are valid except for the notion that he was a failure as an NBA coach. No one couldve been successful in Brooklyn and if not for dWade Dallas probably wins that NBA finals.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:34 am to TomRollTideRitter
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TomRollTideRitter
One interesting development that doesn't help us is that Ole Miss' RPI dropped to #138. The cut line for a road game to be a Group 2 game is #135. That means our Ole Miss loss dropped to Group 3, which now gives us 3 Group 3 losses, which pops off the page quite a bit in comparison to others compared to 2.
Probably not something that really matters all that much, but it is kind of bleh.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ole Miss quit this year. I wish we'd gotten them in February.
Hopefully the committee cuts us some slack on the Minnesota loss. They weren't playing like a Q3 opponent when we played them.
Hopefully the committee cuts us some slack on the Minnesota loss. They weren't playing like a Q3 opponent when we played them.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:35 am to Bamainva40
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Not sure where the narrative is coming from that we won't have a good roster next year. The thing more than anything that needs to improve will be leadership from the upperclassmen. I'd argue that it'll be the best roster we ve had since Gottfried's tenure. The questions about Avery are valid except for the notion that he was a failure as an NBA coach. No one couldve been successful in Brooklyn and if not for dWade Dallas probably wins that NBA finals.
I don't think Gene was saying it won't be a good roster - he was saying it won't be a "make a huge jump great roster". I'd agree with that.
It should be a solid, deep roster again. However, we'll have to find some offensive threats or we'll have the same struggles. We'll have to see offensive improvement from Petty and Herb to be a good team IMHO. Without that we are going to struggle mightily in the half court.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:36 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Ole Miss quit this year. I wish we'd gotten them in February.
Yea - they were playing decent ball when we lose to them. Beat Florida and lost 2 heartbreakers @ Arkansas and @ A&M.
Oh well.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We'll have to see offensive improvement from Petty and Herb to be a good team IMHO. Without that we are going to struggle mightily in the half court.
I agree, but I also think and pray that Mack will be a difference maker for us.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:38 am to Bamainva40
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Not sure where the narrative is coming from that we won't have a good roster next year
Bama will have a decent roster in the SEC, not an upper tier roster. As in, you aren't going to coast through the season by virtue of the guys on the roster showing up to play (aka the Florida St + Cuonzo Martin approach to coaching)
As I said, you odn't need to have a team full of Collin Sextons or Marvin Bagleys to win though. This team is plenty capable of making theNCAAT with just solid coaching
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:42 am to TomRollTideRitter
I agree herb and petty need to take a leap. Mack could solve alot and we ll have hall inside most likely. I think galin Smith is a diamond in the rough and believe butler can be a true pg to facilitate things without having pressure to score.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:46 am to Bamainva40
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I agree herb and petty need to take a leap. Mack could solve alot and we ll have hall inside most likely. I think galin Smith is a diamond in the rough and believe butler can be a true pg to facilitate things without having pressure to score.
That's a ton of projected development + "could" and "believe" which is exactly my point. There is nothing proven about the roster next year, which means Avery has to prove he can be a good coach and make the jump with his players
Better put, I'll put it in terms of "What is the floor" of the roster if the coach checks out and does a terrible job/gets no development?
It could get really ugly next year for Bama if Avery doesn't coach up the players.
Compare that to say TAMU this year or maybe TN next year, who even if the coach sh*ts the bed will still be middle of the road SEC
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:48 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:46 am to GenesChin
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Bama will have a decent roster in the SEC, not an upper tier roster. As in, you aren't going to coast through the season by virtue of the guys on the roster showing up to play (aka the Florida St + Cuonzo Martin approach to coaching)
Yup - agree. If guys mature, are comfortable playing together and we get some additional scoring from Mack/Petty/Herb we could be a better team than this year. Certainly a more consistent one.
And that's pretty much my expectation. I'm not sure I believe it will happen with our staff, but it's the expectation. And if it doesn't, then we have a discussion about the future.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:47 am to TomRollTideRitter
Petty does need to take a step next year but he has been lights out in every game we've played without Colin this year.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:50 am to Bamainva40
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Not sure where the narrative is coming from that we won't have a good roster next year. The thing more than anything that needs to improve will be leadership from the upperclassmen. I'd argue that it'll be the best roster we ve had since Gottfried's tenure.
I think something that is so frustrating to people this season is that this is probably also the best roster we've had since the early/mid 2000s Gottfried rosters. Argument can be made that the 2011-2012 roster was better, and I would agree to that with Tony Mitchell playing. Without him, I think this roster is just as or maybe a little more talented.
Speaking of that year- we looked like a damn final four team in the non-conference tourney. Tony Mitchell couldn't miss.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:50 am to mistaken4193
Someone really needs to teach Petty how to dribble properly. I do give him credit for accepting his role this year though, and he's turned from a matador into a respectable defender.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 9:51 am
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