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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:03 am to ArabianKnight
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:03 am to ArabianKnight
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For some reason, Avery let Mizzou dictate how the game was played. He let them force us into playing 2 bigs together. I would have rather he play a smaller line up and force them to match us. With Hall and Giddens both in the game, there was just no space in the lane for anybody to drive. Anytime somebody turned the corner, there was one of our bigs and his defender standing in the way. The offensive spacing was completely out of whack all night. We didn't push the pace often, when we did we got a quick good look. I just don't get it.
Yea - it was an atrocious coaching job. It was very, very bad.
Missouri at times was basically playing 3 bigs and they had guards who are inexperienced and flat out bad at handling the ball. And we just let them walk it up, no real pressure, get it on the block and go to work. And, because of that, our offense was forced to do the same because we had limited run outs or pace.
Just bad. Really, really bad.
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
Lunardi’s bracket came out this morning. We’re still a 9 seed
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Meh, it matters in the context of this discussion. They would have lost the game if Vanderbilt hadn't literally run into a guy 50 feet from the basket with 2 seconds left giving them the luckiest 2 free throws of the season.
However, my overall point is Kentucky came out exactly like we did because like us, they are young and flaky. However, Cal found 5 guys who were playing at max effort and intensity and basically played them the entire final 12 minutes. It changed the game and allowed them to make a run and win. We came out exactly like Kentucky and then just kind of kept doing the same thing hoping it would change. And, because of that, Kentucky found a way to win their game and we did not.
They were in a spot to win,.. And won.
We weren't.... We lost.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:23 am to ArabianKnight
quote:That is so baffling. After forcing OU to play the way he wanted him to, he turns around and allow Mizzou to force him. Strange.
For some reason, Avery let Mizzou dictate how the game was played. He let them force us into playing 2 bigs together. I would have rather he play a smaller line up and force them to match us. With Hall and Giddens both in the game, there was just no space in the lane for anybody to drive. Anytime somebody turned the corner, there was one of our bigs and his defender standing in the way.
The offensive spacing was completely out of whack all night. We didn't push the pace often, when we did we got a quick good look. I just don't get it.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:29 am to MontyFranklyn
Like I know our team is really, really fricking young, but how many times did Avery himself talk about moving past the Oklahoma game and getting focused for Mizzou leading up to last night's game? I guess the kids didn't get the message 
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:39 am to Culverhouse13
I not really surprised by last night and probably should have been expected. We still have the same problems from before Sexton was out. The team plays up and down to the competition. I expect a good performance Saturday.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:39 am to Culverhouse13
I’ve never really liked the attitude of this team. Dazon was the one who made that comment before about he didn’t ever see himself not starting, then Petty seemed to have a bad attitude for awhile, and even Avery said before they joke around in practice and don’t take it serious sometimes. They just don’t have that business-like attitude that championship teams have.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:39 am to MontyFranklyn
One other thing I took from last night. If anybody thinks Hall is ready to face the grown men that play the 4/5 position in the NBA, they just need to watch the film from last night. We got man handled down low all night.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:43 am to ArabianKnight
Hall's always gotten beaten up by strong bigs. Not many NBA teams post up much anymore though.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:51 am to JordonfortheJ
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They were in a spot to win,.. And won. We weren't.... We lost. Everything else is irrelevant.
What? No it isn't. The reasons they won and the reasons we lost are extremely relevant and show the difference in their team and our team.
One saw the issue, adjusted and found a way to win. One saw the issue and stubbornly kept doing the thing that wasn't working.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:52 am to ArabianKnight
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One other thing I took from last night. If anybody thinks Hall is ready to face the grown men that play the 4/5 position in the NBA, they just need to watch the film from last night. We got man handled down low all night.
Like Ritter said - not a lot of 4's beating up on guys in the post in the modern day NBA. A lot more defending guys like Draymond on the wing/short corner/elbow down to the post and being able to help across the lane and block shots.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:54 am to MontyFranklyn
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That is so baffling. After forcing OU to play the way he wanted him to, he turns around and allow Mizzou to force him. Strange.
We didn't force Oklahoma to do anything. They always play that way. They like to run and space the floor. When we play teams that like that style we are in our comfort zone because we can match them athletically. When we play teams like UCF and Mizzou who aren't very good but know how to slow the game down into a ugly, messy shitshow they can drag us down to their level and beat us with experience. The counter to it is to press with a smaller lineup, but why do that when we can run a big lineup out there, present token pressure at best, and watch them walk the ball up the court while their stronger big men establish post position?
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
Once again, if we shot 70-80% as a team from the FT line, we win that game.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:56 am to Robot Santa
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We didn't force Oklahoma to do anything. They always play that way. They like to run and space the floor. When we play teams that like that style we are in our comfort zone because we can match them athletically. When we play teams like UCF and Mizzou who aren't very good but know how to slow the game down into a ugly, messy shitshow they can drag us down to their level and beat us with experience.
Bingo. We just benefited from Oklahoma liking to do what we do. Now, we had a great individual plan for Young, but that is different than forcing their style/tempo.
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The counter to it is to press with a smaller lineup, but why do that when we can run a big lineup out there, present token pressure at best, and watch them walk the ball up the court while their stronger big men establish post position
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:58 am to TiderNAL
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Once again, if we shot 70-80% as a team from the FT line, we win that game.
Yea but that just isn't going to happen. Sexton missed a few which is uncharacteristic, but other than that everyone was pretty much as good as they're going to be.
Donta/Giddens went 6/10. Petty/Ingram/Reese/Key went 9/12. Sexton went 6/10.
Also, we would have had to shoot 97% (31/32) from the FT line to have won the game 70-69.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
The wild differences in tempo from your opponents night to night is one of the biggest differences between college and pro basketball. The slowest pro teams still play at what would be a breakneck pace for college teams. The Spurs are last in the NBA with 2.02 possessions per minute. That's good for 6th in NCAA D1. This is something I think Avery is struggling with in a big way.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:25 am to Robot Santa
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The wild differences in tempo from your opponents night to night is one of the biggest differences between college and pro basketball. The slowest pro teams still play at what would be a breakneck pace for college teams. The Spurs are last in the NBA with 2.02 possessions per minute. That's good for 6th in NCAA D1.
Agree - and I think it is a big reason why we seem to talk about playing "up tempo" but refuse and/or are terrible at playing full court basketball.
Avery's idea of "up tempo" is pushing the ball after a rebound and secondary breaks along with running quick look sets to start half court possessions (the whole "shoot in 6 seconds or run our full offense" stuff). That's the NBA version of insane tempo. However, in college, the teams that generally play at the most breakneck of tempos at least sprinkle in 3/4 court or full court traps. Real ones, too, not token pressure.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
It also seems that we never even thought about attempting to change up the defense. Mizzou had so many wide open 3's, easy rebounds, and easy lay-ups and put backs. As inconsistent as we are, it blows me away we didn't press while they were bringing up the ball and then drop in to a 2-3 zone. With our length it would have made it hard for them to get the ball down low and would have helped rebounding.
I know I'm preaching to the choir but good god what a shitty coaching job and what shitty effort last night. We got literally nothing from anybody except Collin and it is inexcusable.
I know I'm preaching to the choir but good god what a shitty coaching job and what shitty effort last night. We got literally nothing from anybody except Collin and it is inexcusable.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:32 am to train1523
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For some reason, Avery let Mizzou dictate how the game was played. He let them force us into playing 2 bigs together. I would have rather he play a smaller line up and force them to match us.
playing a small lineup wasn't an option. Did you watch the game?
their bigs destroyed Hall/Giddens. Hall had his worst game of the year by far, especially on the defensive end.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah, when he was talking about playing that way when he was first hired it was a little concerning. It's not a realistic style for the college game. The average player just isn't skilled enough to consistently knock down jumpers and zone defense also make it more of a challenge to get quick looks unless you have a guy who is "open" 8 feet behind the 3pt line. If you are taking that many quick shots you either have to steal possessions via pressure or be one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. If you don't do those things well and have an off shooting night against a team that is just going to grind out possessions you're fricked.
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