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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....

Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:50 am to
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14218 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:50 am to
This has been an interesting read...

I think our friends are misdirecting their anti government sentiment in the wrong direction. A sentiment which I agree with whole heartedly. I don't want the govt telling me what I can or cannot do on my time as long as it doesn't hurt anybody....and this includes pot (even though I'm well past those days).

However, my employer .... or UGA in this matter .... has every right to establish rules that you have to abide by if you want to work, or play, on their dime. That's their perrogative. They're not the federal govt with their monopoly of force ....this isn't about the founding fathers....this is about the right of an organization to set rules for their membership.

Also, based on the number of student athletes its pretty obvious that these infractions usual only happen to certain individuals...over and over. I don't buy the "everyone is doing it" line. Everyone may have smoked at some point....but everyone isn't doing it so often they're getting flagged in random tests. What about all of the other athletes that somehow manage to not smoke pot and stay out of trouble. If you let JHC slide what's the message to them?

I've smoked in the past and know people who smoked (and still do) regularly and there is NO doubt in my mind that pot affects your performance....just like alcohol or any other drug. At some point, adults have to decide what they should or shouldn't do based on their individual situation...even if they don't like it.

You frick up...you get in trouble...its the way of the world. The sooner he learns this the better off he'd be and if our policy says kick him off...you have to do it. Otherwise you set yourself for all kinds of trouble.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 9:09 am to
Good analogy and well stated. Agree completely. I just wish we had enough instilled discipline to prevent these kinds of incidents. However, individuals have the freedom to make their own choices. JHC obviously knows the rules and has chosen to violate them. Hopefully this second round of suspension will be the wake up call he needs to turn things around in his life at UGA. The guy obviously has the physical anatomy to become a starter in the NFL; he just needs to get focused on the goal and make his mark in college needed to become a valuable draft pick.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58917 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 9:58 am to
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You might to use the word "policy" instead.


And the difference would be.....? if policy is "Anything goes" then wouldn't you have an "Anything goes situation? maybe I am misunderstanding you. I HAVE been known to be a bit slow at times!

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If you want UGA compete at the highest levels with our stated policies about oversigning,drug testing etc...we'll always be competing with 1 hand tied behind our back.


I understand what you are saying. But I actually like pulling for a team that puts honesty and integrity first. It makes winning that much sweeter. And, while we have not won a Natty....can you guess where we stand in terms of SEC teams with 10 or more wins in a season over the last 10 years, starting in 2004?

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It's also pretty cut and dry to have a uniform drug testing policy across the board in the SEC...you either test positive or you don't.

And I agree that that is what you should have. An across the board policy. It simply will not happen, though. And you can cover up test results. Or work around testing players who might be at risk until strategic times. I mean...surely you do realize that in spite of having policies in place, schools still manage to get around those policies and cheat.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58917 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:02 am to
Agreed. There is a point or two that I would stray from...but those would be for another thread.

He has one more chance, apparently from our (UGAs) policies. I suspect if he got caught twice in one year, he will probably get caught again. Hopefully not, and he can get his act together. I think we all, as Georgia fans, hope he can get turned around and be a productive presence on the team, instead of a bad influence.
Posted by dallasga6
Scrap Metal Magnate...
Member since Mar 2009
25670 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:08 am to
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He has one more chance, apparently from our (UGAs) policies.

I just remembered that him, Tibbs & Sheldon Dawson were in the car with SoCrow too...

Might only have a 1/2 chance...
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 10:09 am
Posted by AmericusDawg
Member since Oct 2012
8577 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:15 am to
I had forgot about that. Hard headed dumbass he is.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58917 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:24 am to
Tends to remind me of Ricky Williams. Decided to quit football because he wanted to smoke weed. How long did that last?
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:12 pm to
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No. Marijuana use can lead to lung cancer and impairment. these are facts.


Who has died of cancer becuase of smoking marijauna. Link please.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:14 pm to
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bless your heart...


And bless yours as well.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58917 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:17 pm to
My bad...Emphesyma. MUCH better!

LINK


It MIGHT cause lung cancer:

LINK /

Satisfied?
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:20 pm to
Yes. More testing is needed.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58917 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:36 pm to
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Yes. More testing is needed.


True. Honestly...I thought it was proven that it caused lung cancer. I never smoked, so I haven't kept up with it. At one time, I know thye were thinking it caused lung cancer. Seems it was based on having many of the same harmful chemicals as tobacco. However, Emphesyma is bad stuff. It would be enough to keep me away from weed, even if I was inclined to try it...which I am not.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:22 pm to
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It would be enough to keep me away from weed, even if I was inclined to try it...which I am not.


Well, like I said, Im no pothead, but tried it a time or 2 in my day and can say without a doubt it was worth a try. Makes the mind think beyond normal everyday comprehension. Every thought broken down into its simplest form. Never tried this, but many people in college will study high becuase they say it helps, but only if you take the test high as well. Not sure about that one though.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 4:23 pm
Posted by redandblackattack
Spring Hill florida
Member since Nov 2012
2193 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:30 pm to
Interesting adawgj...tell me more about how thc (specificaly, (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) , enhances neurosynapses,,maybe it increases myelin sheaths or enhances the axons to send improved signals, let us not forget that THC is an exogenous agonist of G - protein CB1 receptors (canibinoid receptors) which produce the high but happen to also have a say in memory, concentration, timing, coordination, etc..

In fact this has been proven through research and experimentation, time and time again, this is why the up regulating of CB1 receptors via acquired responses such as disease, or drug use, can be overcame through the use of Marijuana...in other words,,the excitability due to down regulation of the cell can be "decreased" through the introduction of ThC into the presynaptic nerve terminal, where it occupies the CB1 G linked receptors to create a suppressed response, so you get reduced seizures..hence. why we have medicinal marijuana...This drug gets you high, it's awesome, no doubt,,it doesn't improve your concentration,your response time, your IQ, or your looks...but it makes you feel like it does...it's all relative,,,to everyone else you're in slow motion...
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 11:29 am
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:39 pm to
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Interesting adawgj...tell me more about how thc (specificaly, (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) , enhances neurosynapses,,maybe it increases myelin sheaths or enhances the axons to send improved signals, let us not forget that THC is an exogenous agonist of G - protein CB1 receptors (canibinoid receptors) which produce the high but happen to also have a say in memory, concentration, timing, coordination, etc..

In fact this has been proven through research and experimentation, time and time again, this is why the up regulating of CB1 receptors via acquired responses such as disease, or drug use, can be overcame through the use of Marijuana...in other words,,the excitability due to down regulation of the cell can be "decreased" through the introduction of ThC into the presynaptic nerve terminal, where it occupies the CB1 G linked receptors to create a suppressed response, so you get reduced seizures..hence. why we have medicinal marijuana...This drug gets you high, it's awesome, no doubt,,it doesn't improve your concentration,your response time, your IQ, or your looks...but it makes you feel like it does...it's all relative,,,to everyone else your in slow motion...


True story. When my buddies and I used to get high in college we inevitably made all these miraculous conclusions only to realize later when we were straight that our logic was either retarded or had already been discovered hundreds of years ago. And it was not uncommon for me to be driving high in my own home town, come to a traffic light and have no idea where I was or which way to go. But yea, no problem with the whole team smokin' pot. Let's just let them all share a monster stogie right before each game.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 10:21 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14218 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:17 pm to


We used to solve the problems of the world and then wake up the next morning and think..."what the frick where we talking about last night?"

One of the best arguments for legalizing pot is that the intoxicating effect is not much more intense than alcohol...but the high is less prone to to the types of aggressive behavior that alcohol produces.

When's the last time you saw somebody really high get into a fight or drive too fast?
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:25 pm to
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One of the best arguments for legalizing pot is that the intoxicating effect is not much more intense than alcohol...but the high is less prone to to the types of aggressive behavior that alcohol produces.

When's the last time you saw somebody really high get into a fight or drive too fast?



Oh I absolutely agree with that. Pot brownies are a heck of lot less harmful than drinking too much alcohol. I would often get paranoid when high and yea that and the confusion would cause me to drive super slowly.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27302 posts
Posted on 1/19/14 at 10:40 am to
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I actually like pull for a team that puts honesty and integrity first


So do I and I'm proud of my college for doing so BUT most on this thread that are advocating pushinment and harsh penelties are the EXACT same folks that are calling for CMR'r or Bobo's head on a platter after every loss.I really don't know if you're one those to be honest with you.

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Schools would get around those policies and cheat


It wouldn't be left up to the schools.Easy solution,the drug testing policy would be adminstered by the conference...it very easy to test for recreational drugs....PED testing is a whole different animal.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 10:43 am
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:01 pm to
A scholarship, even a full ride is not the equivalent for paying a student. When you play football at a big time program, then you are the only department making a profit for the university(most cases), in the sum of millions of dollars. The coach makes millions of dollars a year, the assistant coaches makes hundreds of thousands a year, but the actually person playing the game and bringing in the revenue, the football player, they get dont get paid! Yet they get to attend this university for free and get a "full ride" (whatever that means), however many other students can get this same opportunity through academic scholarships, yet they do not bring in millions of dollars. How is this fair to the student who is bringing is most of the revenue to the university? These football players have even less free time than other students b/c of their dedication to the football program. Look at A Murray, that DGD lived in teh film room. How can a student take full classes and then allocate the correct amount of study time for them, then throw in football practice, then the extra time to put in to it to make the team better, and your self. How can this person have a real paying job outside of this to have extra cash? They can't! But the guy who is on an academic scholarship is not putting in this many hours, so they are able to work and getting paid. Then you throw in our rules are way stricter than any other school in the SEC, so not only are you working harder than almost all the studnents, you can't even relieve some stress by partying (drinking and smoking, and girls) without possibly fricking up your future.

We hold these players to way way higher standards than we would do ourselves. For all we know JHC coulda only smoked pot 2 times and most of yall are calling for him to get kicked off. Any other SEC this would not be a problem. If we kick him off, it will end up like Mett or Marshall, everyone will be thinking what if.

Also, yeah I understand this is our drug policy, but damn does that mean we shouldnt question it, especially when the other teams winning national championships dont give a frick? God damn!

**edit: Also retail price of going to UGA can be expensive, but do you think all the football players would be paying full price if they got admitted to uga and werent playing football? No, they would be getting some type of assistance or financial aid, so their cost of attendance would be significantly lower than the retail uga sticker tag, so considering that, their "full ride" isn't as expensive or extravagant as some of you assclowns make it sound.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 7:05 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41689 posts
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:27 pm to
Regardless of how much money football programs bring in, most don't turn a profit, so paying football players would hurt programs even more. Then baseball players and basketball players (not to mention gymnasts, wrestlers, tennis players, etc.) want a piece of the action, and the AD suddenly can't afford to keep up with renovations, new uniforms, or coaches salaries. And that's before the lawsuits that the women athletes aren't being paid as much as their male counterparts.

It completely changes the face of college athletics all because football players feel like they aren't getting rewarded enough with a scholarship to a university that they probably would have no chance of getting in to otherwise.

Give it a rest. There are thousands of kids that wish they had a shot these scholarship athletes get. Those that don't make it to the NFL will have a leg-up when they graduate based on their contacts.
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