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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:02 pm to VoxDawg
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:02 pm to VoxDawg
quote:lol.. no kidding. Such a trite thing in the grand scheme of things but some people have made it such a big deal.
I swear to God, it's just like Daniel Tosh says: "I wish they'd legalize pot if for no other reason than potheads would have NOTHING to talk about."
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Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:03 pm to VoxDawg
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Even if the first offense totally caught him out of the blue, the fact that he'd been busted a second time points directly to IDGAS on his part.
Really,do you Alec Ogletree had that same attitude
on '12? Do you think it carried over with them to the NFL? Had a pretty damn good rookie yr IMO.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:16 pm to RD Dawg
I think that's precisely where Tree's attitude was when he lit up enough to get busted again. Big fan of what he did on the field, but how much more impressive could he have been if he played in all 14 games in '12?
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Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:25 pm to redandblackattack
R&B. Im not sure who or how many people you were responding to in your thesis, because there were either no quotes or they weren't exicuted properly. I personally am not a "pot activist", but "facts" haven't had much to do with it being made illegal. If by "character" you mean people who stand against government policies or laws that have no foundation, then yes, it says something about those types of people. Your founding fathers had that type of "character".
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Posted on 1/17/14 at 2:34 pm to adawgj
...bless your heart... Your a dawg fan,,,good enough for me..
I'm going to retire from this discussion now...
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:19 am to dawgsjw
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Your right, it is a business, except the players dont get paid for the millions that they (specifically the football program) bring in to the university.
Yes. They do. They get a free education. That is payment. It is worth about 150,000 dollars over 4 years, plus they get free training for the NFL, if they make it. And MOST of them think they can make it.
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They are not kids, they are adults bringing in millions.
If they are adults, then thye know they have to abide by the rules, or there are penalties, right? I mean...you realize if you speed you are in danger of getting a ticket. So, if you decide to speed and you get a ticket, then you have no legitimate complaints.
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Throw on top of that rules that are severely behind in the times, let alone the SEC, and get suspended from games for stupid shite like marijuana drug test fail, or being drunk (not DUI, DUI is a serious offense and SHOULD be punished strictly), or suspended license could get you suspended or kicked off the team, while other schools couldnt care less.
Doesn't matter if rules are behind the times. (YOUR opinion) they are the rules and the players are aware of the rules. this was his second offense in a year. Does this sound like an adult making good decisions? You say DUI is a serious offense. I'd be willing to bet most of these kids are driving after, or during smoking weed.
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And how is him smoking pot hurting his team?
When you show a reckless disregard to team rules you hurt the team. It shows a lack of discipline. Oh....you know why that ball was NOT batted down against Auburn? A lack of discipline.
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For all you know that could be the reason why he can actually tackle and play D like a fricking beast.
Smoking weed makes you play and tackle like a beast? Seriously? it did Ricky Williams and countless others wonders, didn't it?
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Him at safety, is prob the best player on the team. If anything, smoking pot has made him a better player, other than the tipped pass.
And here is the crux of your argument. He is a good player, so we should allow him to do what he wants. No repercussions.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:29 am to Sandwich
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I tried to ignore this thread, but I just can't....
Here is my 2 cents:
1) We, as alumni/fans have every right to be upset about JHC actions. We are emotionally, and some of us, financially invested in the University of Georgia. JHC, when he accepted his scholarship, agreed to represent the University on a national level. We have every right to be pissed at him. Its a bad reflection on the university, and indirectly, on us. So please stop acting like we shouldn't be pissed. I know I am.
2) JHC is one of our best players, and possibly a leader on the defense. What does it say to some of these young, very influence-able kids we have coming in? What message is shite like this sending? HE needs to either man up, or gtfo. Leaders like this are toxic to a team (see Crowell).
3) Finally, this isn't his first rodeo. This kid stay in trouble. At what point does the good outweigh the bad? What point does the University of Georgia say "Sorry son, you are just more trouble than you are worth". This kid most likely will bolt for the NFL after next year. The School that gets hin there, in return, gets almost nothing in return. He can't help us win games if he is on the sideline...thats unacceptable as a student athlete to do the same bull shite over...and over....and over again. Where is the tipping point? I believe we are there imo. His talent is the only thing keeping him from being booted...and he knows it. He as abusing the team and the University. No one should be happy about this.
ALL excellent points. Probably the most lucid arguments in the thread. How'd you get on this board?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:37 am to dawgsjw
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yes Gurley is the best player on the team, but I said on D.
No. You didn't. here is your quote:
Him at safety, is prob the best player on the team.
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Or how about uga follow other teams drug policies instead of trying to have the strictest?
UGA doesn't have to follow other teams drug policies. Every school and business has the right to set minimum standards and the students and employees are expected to follow those guidelines. If you don't want to, you can play or work somewhere else. Every state has different laws. if you want to marry your boyfriend and you are male, you must move to a state that allows that. Just because YOU personally don't like a rule or law doesn't mean the rest of the world has to fall into your way of thinking.
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Only land owners used to be able to vote, but did that make it right? Same as with weed, you shouldnt test someones pee for it, its ethically wrong.
Seriously? BAD, bad argument. besides...what is ethically wrong is breaking the law...not stopping someone from breaking the law.
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Also, what about recurits? You think they are going to like to hear this shite?
Doesn't matter. You don't allow murder because a recruit will go somewhere else if you don't allow it. Do you have kids? Do you allow them to do whatever they want just because everybody else does it?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:39 am to RD Dawg
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Please, Crowell was an outright thug.
Ok. then how about Caleb King, Nick Marshall, and so many others that couldn't stay out of trouble?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:43 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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We would never win another game if we took this stance.
But what you don't understand is...we HAVE taken this stance and we ARE winning games. That is why JHC was suspended for 4 games. Look, you act like the coaches are doing something wrong for upholding team rules and the law....while the kids are doing nothing wrong at all.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:46 am to RD Dawg
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Good lord,how much "discipline" was down at UFAG when Urban won 2 MNC's? Harvin,Hernandez etc were pretty much doing whatever the hell they wanted to on and off the field...How bout LSU under Les?
Honey Badger and Jeremy Hill were both stellar examples of dicipline weren't they? It's the world we live in and if you want to start kicking guys off the team fine...Auburn,LSU and many others will be there with open arms and a scholarship ready.
Just so we all understand...you are advocating that anything goes at Georgia? We should allow anything and everything to go on at our University?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:48 am to Crowknowsbest
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My point is that I disagree with those who say he should be kicked off the team in order to instill discipline. That is completely counterproductive, IMO. If you kick him off, it hurts the program's ability to compete as well as JHC's potential to come back from this mistake.
Instead, make him earn his way back. He'll have to sit out 3 games, and in the meantime, make him feel his mistake. Run him until the coaches puke, institute curfew, drug test him every week, whatever. If he earns his keep, then both the program and JHC will have come out better than if we just cut the cord.
i can agree with this. As I said earlier in this thread...I'll let the coaches do the disciplining. That's their job.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:51 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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I don't condone breaking rules but in my opinion it's way to much for the severity of the act.
But herein lies the problem....everybody has a different opinion as to what is severe and what is not. What should be disciplined and what should not. How severe the discipline should be, etc.
That is why we have clear, concise rules down in black and white. Everybody knows what UGA finds acceptable and what is not. Once you know, you have no excuse for breaking team rules....twice.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 4:54 am to adawgj
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Thats a UGA problem. Marijauna is only a big deal because all the years of government propaganda.
No. Marijuana use can lead to lung cancer and impairment. these are facts. We have enough drunks on the road without adding a bunch of pot heads to our streets. Smoking cigarettes has become a taboo act, as a whole by our society. Marijuana is just as damaging if not more so because of the impairment.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:07 am to DawgsLife
Who's "we all"?Nobody's advocating "anything goes" I just want uniform codes of conduct across the board in the SEC. I was respomding to his post about how "undisciplined" CMR's teams are and how somehow JHC actions were the result of this. Just giving a few examples of other programs that have WON MNC's with their brand of discipline or lack of... on and off the field.This the reality of who you're dealing with at the highest levels in the SEC.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 6:43 am
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:55 am to RD Dawg
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JHC
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:09 am to RD Dawg
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Nobody's advocating "anything goes" I just want uniform codes of conduct across the board in the SEC
And I want $1,000,000.00. We are both going to be disappointed. If every team had the same rules for every infraction it still wouldn't be equal. Teams would ignore infractions to avoid suspensions. You simply will never have equality of rules. Ever. Just look at Alabama and recruiting. Rules are the same for everybody, yet people and schools continue to skirt the rules. To lament how other teams have had thugs on their teams and allowed them to get away with murder, yet still win is simply disingenuous. It merely sounds like you advocate an anything goes situation.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:10 am to Sanford&MunSon
There might not be an "I" in Team, but there is in WIN.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:10 am to Sanford&MunSon
Lol
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:27 am to DawgsLife
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it merely sounds like you advocate an anything goes situation
Huh? An anything goes "situation"...once again,when was that ever stated? And WtF do you mean by situation?You might to use the word "policy" instead.
I clearly responded to you the first time about what exactly I meant.
If you want UGA compete at the highest levels with our stated policies about oversigning,drug testing etc...we'll always be competing with 1 hand tied behind our back.
It's also pretty cut and dry to have a uniform drug testing policy across the board in the SEC...you either test positive or you don't.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 9:18 am
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