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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:44 pm to adawgj
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:44 pm to adawgj
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All student athletes dont bring in the same amount of money for the university. I support a stipend because they are treated like unpaid employees. Who are we to "discipline" grown men who arent getting paid. A lot of people get financial aid and arent subject to scrutiny.
They are getting paid. You don't seem to understand this. They receive tuition, room and board and stipends. That is payment. And how do you discipline regular students if they aren't getting paid. You know, the ones who actually have to PAY to go to school. Your argument simply makes no sense. You are not thinking your arguments through.
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A lot of people get financial aid and arent subject to scrutiny.
Not true at all. There are kids getting kicked out of school all the time that receive no financial aid whatsoever...and many that DO receive financial aid. Many of them for the exact same things football players are. Let a "regular" student get caught smoking weed in the dorms and see what happens.
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:58 pm to dawgsjw
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Yeah you gotta change your argument since I'm getting more specific about it.
No,. You don't. I was on the debate team in college. You do NOT change your argument because you are getting specific.
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m not saying they should get compensated for injuries, but when you are a high recruit out of highschool, you think they are thinking they gonna make it as a doctor, or as a football player in the NFL? These 4-5* recruits are all planning on making it to the NFL, as they are physically talented enough to make it w/ proper training.
Yes. You are right. but that is their problem for thinking that way. Not every football player makes it to the NFL. But you know what? not every Med student makes it as a doctor. not every business major makes it in business. That is life. You get an education, and you have a better chance of succeeding
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So you agree that the NCAA is a business but they shouldn't pay their athletes who make a profit?
The players already are compensated. EDUCATION. Room and board. Stipends.
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Hope scholarship is easy to maintain, its just a b grade. Also UGA has standards right?? why does these student football players get to come here w/ subpar gpa and SAT/ACT scores?? B/c they could care less as long as these dumbass can make a profit. I've had friends who made 1200 or so on the SAT and still couldn't get accepted to uga. But these players get special attention.
No. I would be willing to bet most football players could not maintain Hope.
Why does Georgia let them in? The same reason all the other schools let in subpar students. It is n't perfect, but which is better? Leaving a player out of school where he will almost certainly fail, or attempt to give him an education because of his skills so he MIGHT succeed?
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Student benefits is not the same as payment.
Not all students get those benefits. How much is insurance worth to you and your family? In my book, that is pretty good compensation. Take away all insurance benefits from a financial package and see how many people leave a job. Not all compensation comes in the form of money. But it doesn't make it any less valuable. Ask how may students would gladly take a free education, food and shelter while at college.
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ALso crowell charges got dropped
Ctowell stayed in trouble almost from the time he stepped on campus. Could we have used him? Maybe. but he came out of almost every game because of injury. He probably would have been out for the season after the first game.
For what it is worth I was not calling for JHC to be kicked off the team. I said the punishment should be left up to the coaches. that is what they are paid for, right?
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Also weed is good for you, so theres a reason why its used medically in 20 states plus our capital.
Seriously...? SERIOUSLY? Good for you? This conversation is done. You obviously know nothing about marijuana. Besides causing Emphesyma, it doubles the risk of getting into a car accident...doubles you chances of being in a fatal accident. Yep. You are right. It is good for you. Go take another toke and chill out. After all....it's good for you.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:01 pm to dawgsjw
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Its not about wanting more, its just the principle. We are ran by a capitalistic system, where MONEY is exchanged for services.
Like I said...we could always give them money that covers tuition, room and board and not give it to them. I would support this if they could not go to another school after they smoke and party away all their money and then had to pay for their education.
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If a program is bringing in a profit, why cant the students or players receive any? Instead they get a 'full ride'.
You've gotta be a kid. You have no idea what a full ride is worth, do you? Go work for a few years and try to send your kid to school, then tell us how it isn't worth any money.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:07 pm to DawgsLife
Personally, I think if you misbehave to the point of being dismissed from a team, you should be required to pay the school back for their investment in you that you deliberately sabotaged before being released to transfer.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:13 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Or how about your parents not having any money and having to go to school w/ grants and financial aid??
You've gotta be a kid. You have no idea what a full ride is worth, do you? Go work for a few years and try to send your kid to school, then tell us how it isn't worth any money.
So your saying give the players money to cover tuition and room and board but not give it to them? WTF?? Or we could treat them like adults, and give them money for making a profit. But when you recruit them for football, which makes you, the school, millions of dollars, then yes room and board and tuition is not enough.
I guess your the type of guy who stays bent over while getting plowed in the arse, not questioning things, whereas I'm like, no why should i get plowed in the arse. I'm sure if you were a slave back in slavery, you wouldn't have revolted??
You already said the NCAA is a business, so these schools like uga are part of the NCAA, so that makes them a business. So the players on the football team bringing in the profit, they arent part of the business, since they dont get paid?? Your logic is just so misleading.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:27 pm to VoxDawg
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Personally, I think if you misbehave to the point of being dismissed from a team, you should be required to pay the school back for their investment in you that you deliberately sabotaged before being released to transfer.
Or what if you go to the school expecting the coaches to train you to make it to the nfl and you dont, should you hold the school accountable then? Its a risk taken by both sides, thats why they should get paid in college b/c the future is never certain. All that is certain is that they are making millions right now for the school, while they get chump change. Thats why they should get more financial compensation other than room and board and tuition, which isnt shite to the football player.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:53 pm to dawgsjw
I think you've blown right past the larger point: They're there as a STUDENT athlete, first and foremost. The school is providing them with an education whether the player gets drafted or not. If the kid's too fricking obtuse to make the most of that overarching benefit, then I don't have the slightest bit of sympathy for their rock star ambitions. That education that so many scholarship players gloss right over is their best insurance against vanishing into obscurity if their numbers don't come up in the NFL lottery.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:39 pm to VoxDawg
If the kids think they are getting screwed (and I don't hear kids saying that... just people outside the program), then they can go play in Canada right away.
How many kids walk away from their scholarships, walk away from the best facilities in the world, and walk away from the best coaches in the world to make a good paycheck in Canada?
Not many. The next player to do this would be the first player I've ever heard about.
Maybe they have it good being the big man on campus for 3+ years.
How many kids walk away from their scholarships, walk away from the best facilities in the world, and walk away from the best coaches in the world to make a good paycheck in Canada?
Not many. The next player to do this would be the first player I've ever heard about.
Maybe they have it good being the big man on campus for 3+ years.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:46 pm to meansonny
This may sound far fetched, but what if CMR asked JHC to Redshirt?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:52 pm to trojans82
I don't know that that would be unreasonable. At least it would give him an opportunity to cool his jets, evaluate his situation and get a grip on shite. I'd hate to see him off the field for the entire season, but I'd be willing to bet that if he could handle himself in a scout team role, he'd actually develop into a leader.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:24 pm to trojans82
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JHC to redshirt
No way in hell...he's a certified playmaker and I HIGHLY doubt he goes for it.I believe he's gone after this year anyway.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 9:26 pm to trojans82
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This may sound far fetched, but what if CMR asked JHC to Redshirt?
Makes sense. Just let him practice at the Falcons facility while he's at it because he isn't coming back for a 4th year.
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