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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....
Posted on 1/17/14 at 6:03 am to tween the hedges
Posted on 1/17/14 at 6:03 am to tween the hedges
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Here's my opinion: he gets a free ride to go college under the stipulation he will play football.
On the flip side of that, UGA is making millions of dollars off the football players. Hell it is probably the only profitable sport at UGA and it provides money for all other sports and academics. The players get a free ride, but what is that compared to the millions made off these guys every year, then throw in that they are there from 3-5 years.
For JHC, hes gonna be here 3 yrs, especially w/ these suspensions. So how much of free college is he getting? Like 50,000$ or so? That is so small compared to the millions he and his team will make for the school, so frick it, let him drink and smoke. He isn't harming other people, other than getting suspended for some stupid policies. And just b/c its a policy or rule doesnt make it right....remember when women couldn't vote or the times of slavery??
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Posted on 1/17/14 at 6:14 am to Crowknowsbest
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People who are saying that UGA should hang him out to dry and impact his future career as an example for others need to get a grip.
If his future career is impacted it will not be because of what Georgia did, but what he has done.
I am not one that called for him to be thrown off the team. I leave discipline up to the coaches. That is their job.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 6:23 am to dawgsjw
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On the flip side of that, UGA is making millions of dollars off the football players. Hell it is probably the only profitable sport at UGA and it provides money for all other sports and academics. The players get a free ride, but what is that compared to the millions made off these guys every year, then throw in that they are there from 3-5 years.
Can't agree with this line of thinking. Sure, the school makes millions off these guys. however, every business makes money off their employees. If they did not, they would not be in business. The amount they make is immaterial.
When the players sign their LOI, they are, in effect, signing a contract. The school agrees to provide competent coaching and a free education. the players agree to work out and conduct themselves in a certain way.
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For JHC, hes gonna be here 3 yrs, especially w/ these suspensions. So how much of free college is he getting?
If he leaves after three years that is his decision, not the schools. If he feels he is being short changed, then he should stay in school for the entire four years.
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Like 50,000$ or so?
You might want to check out you figures. You are WAY off. When you consider tuition, room and board, etc...three years comes out to be MUCH more than that.
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let him drink and smoke. He isn't harming other people,
Yes. He is. Our country has certain laws and everybody is expected to live by them. If they do not, then there are consequences to pay. We have WAY too many drunks and high people on our roads today. We don't need another kid on the road killing another innocent kid or family because "he wants to".
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And just b/c its a policy or rule doesn't make it right....remember when women couldn't vote or the times of slavery??
Seriously? You are going to say smoking pot is equal to slavery or a woman's right to vote? REALLY?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 6:56 am to DawgsLife
Your right, it is a business, except the players dont get paid for the millions that they (specifically the football program) bring in to the university. They get a free ride, but is that pay? No, pay is what you and I and all the guys in the NFL get. They are not kids, they are adults bringing in millions. They get 0 of that! Scholarships are nice and fine, but still they get paid nothing. Throw on top of that rules that are severely behind in the times, let alone the SEC, and get suspended from games for stupid shite like marijuana drug test fail, or being drunk (not DUI, DUI is a serious offense and SHOULD be punished strictly), or suspended license could get you suspended or kicked off the team, while other schools couldnt care less.
And how is him smoking pot hurting his team? For all you know that could be the reason why he can actually tackle and play D like a fricking beast. Him at safety, is prob the best player on the team. If anything, smoking pot has made him a better player, other than the tipped pass.
And how is him smoking pot hurting his team? For all you know that could be the reason why he can actually tackle and play D like a fricking beast. Him at safety, is prob the best player on the team. If anything, smoking pot has made him a better player, other than the tipped pass.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 7:10 am to dawgsjw
It's called "delayed gratification." If you handle your shite, keep your nose clean in school AND have the skills on the field, you'll more than make up for contributing to the school's revenue.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 7:28 am to dawgsjw
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They get a free ride, but is that pay? No, pay is what you and I and all the guys in the NFL get.
They may not be getting "paid", but they are being compensated. Just not with money. They get free use of tutors, meal plans, education, training facilities, and a shite ton of other perks that the normal college student doesn't get. I'm not against giving these guys stipends to give them a little spending money during their free time. After all, they don't have the time to get jobs like other college students do, but I also don't think you start paying these guys thousands of dollars. You think we have trouble keeping them out of trouble now. shite, give them the means to buy their way into even more trouble and see how much of a problem that would be.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 8:40 am to dawgsjw
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dawgsjw
I think we can all figure out who you voted for.
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Him at safety is probably the best player on the team
No. That title belongs to Gurley.
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The school needs to get with the times
Or how about the players follow the damn rules?
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:10 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
The thing that is bad about this isn't that he smoked weed.
He is a 20 yr old college kid shite happens. The part that pisses me off is he has let his teammates down TWICE!!!
He dont give a shite about his teammates and there is no way you can say he does.
He got in trouble with weed once he did his time, and then he says frick it lets keep doing it.
I would rather we send him on his way and find someone that wants to be there and wants to play for his team.
He is a 20 yr old college kid shite happens. The part that pisses me off is he has let his teammates down TWICE!!!
He dont give a shite about his teammates and there is no way you can say he does.
He got in trouble with weed once he did his time, and then he says frick it lets keep doing it.
I would rather we send him on his way and find someone that wants to be there and wants to play for his team.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:23 am to UGALife478
Exactly!
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:25 am to UGALife478
quote:Exactly. And it happened what...3 months later? We don't open up with 4 cupcakes like most SEC teams...we have arguably our 2 toughest games the first 2 weeks. It's forgivable once but its embarrassing that it happens twice. He obviously just doesn't care.
He got in trouble with weed once he did his time, and then he says frick it lets keep doing it.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:30 am to UGALife478
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:39 am to UGALife478
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I would rather we send him on his way and find someone that wants to be there and wants to play for his team.
Likewise. JHC was probably a pothead when we recruited him which raises the question do we test recruits for drugs before "hiring" them? Many businesses do drug testing of new hires for good reason; they don't want drugged out employees infiltrating their work environments.
This is another reason why our realized results don't match our recruiting rankings. Way too many of our recruits end up not contributing on the field for various reasons and drug use is certainly one of them.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:10 am to davesdawgs
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:17 am to BarberitosDawg
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How would Mr. JHC fare under these new Rules Charlie Strong just handed down over in Texas?
Who gives a shite?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:25 am to BarberitosDawg
Players ain't gonna like #5...they must live on campus and in a dorm rule.It'll mean these guys will lose their room and board stipend (which is around $1,200 giver or take) and I know there's thought of increasing up closer to the 2K range.
Kids are not gonna like getting hit in the pocket
Kids are not gonna like getting hit in the pocket
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:34 am to davesdawgs
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Likewise. JHC was probably a pothead when we recruited him which raises the question do we test recruits for drugs before "hiring" them? Many businesses do drug testing of new hires for good reason; they don't want drugged out employees infiltrating their work environments.
This is another reason why our realized results don't match our recruiting rankings. Way too many of our recruits end up not contributing on the field for various reasons and drug use is certainly one of them.
I've said this before in the recruiting thread, but I'll say it again here. If we stop recruiting all the players who we think smoke pot, we will have a really bad team.
I really think some people don't realize how pervasive this is in not only college but high school as well. This is a cultural thing among young people. I smoked pot almost every day in college and a good bit on HS.
He let his teammates down, but he probably didn't see it that way. I can pretty much guarantee you that he was smoking with other members of our team. I bet if you randomly drug tested all our scholarship players, over half of them would fail. Maybe well more than half.
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:40 am to Crowknowsbest
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underprivileged
This phrase I have an issue with, but other than that, I imagine that you're right - He's too shortsighted either to know or to care how much he's impacting those around him.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:45 am to VoxDawg
I just that because I've seen people associate this issue with people's background, but you're right in this case. I'll edit that out
Posted on 1/17/14 at 10:52 am to Crowknowsbest
I tried to ignore this thread, but I just can't....
Here is my 2 cents:
1) We, as alumni/fans have every right to be upset about JHC actions. We are emotionally, and some of us, financially invested in the University of Georgia. JHC, when he accepted his scholarship, agreed to represent the University on a national level. We have every right to be pissed at him. Its a bad reflection on the university, and indirectly, on us. So please stop acting like we shouldn't be pissed. I know I am.
2) JHC is one of our best players, and possibly a leader on the defense. What does it say to some of these young, very influence-able kids we have coming in? What message is shite like this sending? HE needs to either man up, or gtfo. Leaders like this are toxic to a team (see Crowell).
3) Finally, this isn't his first rodeo. This kid stay in trouble. At what point does the good outweigh the bad? What point does the University of Georgia say "Sorry son, you are just more trouble than you are worth". This kid most likely will bolt for the NFL after next year. The School that gets hin there, in return, gets almost nothing in return. He can't help us win games if he is on the sideline...thats unacceptable as a student athlete to do the same bullshite over...and over....and over again. Where is the tipping point? I believe we are there imo. His talent is the only thing keeping him from being booted...and he knows it. He as abusing the team and the University. No one should be happy about this.
There..my 2 cents if anyone gives a frick.
Here is my 2 cents:
1) We, as alumni/fans have every right to be upset about JHC actions. We are emotionally, and some of us, financially invested in the University of Georgia. JHC, when he accepted his scholarship, agreed to represent the University on a national level. We have every right to be pissed at him. Its a bad reflection on the university, and indirectly, on us. So please stop acting like we shouldn't be pissed. I know I am.
2) JHC is one of our best players, and possibly a leader on the defense. What does it say to some of these young, very influence-able kids we have coming in? What message is shite like this sending? HE needs to either man up, or gtfo. Leaders like this are toxic to a team (see Crowell).
3) Finally, this isn't his first rodeo. This kid stay in trouble. At what point does the good outweigh the bad? What point does the University of Georgia say "Sorry son, you are just more trouble than you are worth". This kid most likely will bolt for the NFL after next year. The School that gets hin there, in return, gets almost nothing in return. He can't help us win games if he is on the sideline...thats unacceptable as a student athlete to do the same bullshite over...and over....and over again. Where is the tipping point? I believe we are there imo. His talent is the only thing keeping him from being booted...and he knows it. He as abusing the team and the University. No one should be happy about this.
There..my 2 cents if anyone gives a frick.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 11:09 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
Who said this? I don't really care what they do off the feild. 
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