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Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:36 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:36 pm to Crowknowsbest
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People aren't saying we have no talent, first of all.
Not now. But they were a few weeks ago. Cupboard bare. Worst roster since the 1990's. Worst roster since 2000. Those were all said.
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I can't speak for everybody else, but what I have said is that our OL is severely lacking and we have a general lack of reliable upperclassmen.
You are the rare non-biased poster, though. There are more posters on here that are not and are very reactionary.
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I said those things after last year, I said them before the season, and I would still be saying them had UT not caught that hail mary.
And what you said is a fair assessment that I have no trouble with.
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:44 pm to GurleyGirl
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Exactly. The trolls haven't produced a single quote of anyone on this board saying that.
What? that the cupboard is bare? Seriously? or that this is the worst roster since the '90's?
I'll tell you what. If I find a quote saying how horrible this roster is...you ban yourself permanently. If I can't find one...I ban myself permanently.
Deal?
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If we were that talented on the OL/had players with superior combinations of size/athleticism, then a high school coach should have been able to coach them to overwhelm Nichols St. and Vandy.
So it is your opinion that we don't have the talent to overwhelm Nicholls State? A team from the Southland Conference? A team that had won 7 games in the last 3 years? Our OL is worse than I thought. maybe the cupboard is bare.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:50 pm to DawgsLife
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Cupboard bare
The offensive side of the ball, WRs, and undersized DBs
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:57 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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The offensive side of the ball, WRs, and undersized DBs
Well, that's the narrative now. before it was the whole team.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:15 pm to DawgsLife
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now. before it was the whole team.
You are taking that supposedly said idea too literally. No one ever said the rbs, lbs, dl and eason lacked talent. No one ever said the freshmen class wasn't talented.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:50 pm to djsdawg
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Worst group of upperclassmen was talked about, and its definitely lacking there.
BS the wnole freakin roster was talked about and YOU were the ringleader
"Worst roster since the mid 90's" ring a bell?
Worst roster of the 2000's" ring a bell?
You gonna own up to any of it?
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:51 pm to GurleyGirl
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nobody would be saying this team has no talent People aren't saying we have no talent, first of all.
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Exactly. The trolls haven't produced a single quote of anyone on this board saying that.
Ok. You keep saying this, so here are the quotes you so desperately crave.
Richt had no kicker lined up, and he had years to find one.
We have Trent Thompson and a bunch of guys who should be playing at Georgia Southern.
These players were recruited by Richt, and Richt would be getting his arse handed to him by 30+ points right now if he was still the HC.
This is a bad football team all the way around.
We just are that bad. It took all we could give to beat Nichols and Mizzou. This is going to be a long year.
It's a weak roster.
....but we aren't even competitive....
Talent wins. We don't have them.
So these are Kirbys shite players? Damn I had no idea
How do you prepare when your team is so bad and you play a team that is good?
Takes more than a handful of players to compete in the SEC
Kirby was hired to make sure we are never as devoid of talent as we are now. With talent, games like this don't happen.
Worst uga roster of this century? (This was the title of a thread)
I don't remember a worse roster.
Overall? Worst since 96.
I have to agree. I look at our roster and I just don't see many positions at all where I think we have a clear talent advantage over any top 25 team save QB and RB.
This is as bad a UGA team as I have ever seen in my 51 years.
Please find me a worse roster since 2000 and prove me wrong then.
I'm sorry you haven't seen any of these posts, so here they are. I am not spending all day looking for the specific posts you mentioned, but evey one of these either insinuate we have no talent or blatantly say it. They also (In some cases) say this is the worst roster we have had since the 1990's or since 2000 just like I said.
Now. Will you PLEASE stop saying none of these things have been said and we have not provided you with quotes?
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:52 pm to djsdawg
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You are taking that supposedly said idea too literally. No one ever said the rbs, lbs, dl and eason lacked talent. No one ever said the freshmen class wasn't talented.
Check my list of quotes I posted to Gurley Gurl and get back to me. A good portion of those quotes were from you.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:12 pm to RD Dawg
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"Worst roster since the mid 90's" ring a bell?
Worst roster of the 2000's" ring a bell?
Neither of these are that absurd. I guess it depends on how you weight the importance of upperclassmen and OL.
2006, 2009, and 2010 all had their (significant) weaknesses. This team is in that conversation.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:17 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Neither of these are that absurd. I guess it depends on how you weight the importance of upperclassmen and OL.
I know this isn't said to me...but we are all talking about overall talent. Does not matter what year the talent is in. Nobody making the statements above differentiated on what class the talent was concentrated in. And, I would argue strongly the 2010 team had less talent for starters.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:27 pm to DawgsLife
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I know this isn't said to me...but we are all talking about overall talent. Does not matter what year the talent is in.
I wholeheartedly disagree as it relates to our 2016 football team. People could say the 06 team had Knowshon at RB which according to the roster is true, and Knowshon is one of the best RBs we've had, but he didn't even play in 06 so his talent relating to that team is irrelevant. We have a ton of young guys that are probably going to do major things for us, but that doesnt' mean squat concerning 2016.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
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I know this isn't said to me...but we are all talking about overall talent. Does not matter what year the talent is in.
I'm talking about the best overall roster, which I guess is a combination of talent and experience, so year would matter.
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And, I would argue strongly the 2010 team had less talent for starters.
IDK. 2010 had AJ Green, Justin Houston, Cordy Glenn, Clint Boling, Brandon Boykin, Orson Charles, Tavarres King, Alec Ogletree, Akeem Dent, Demarcus Dobbs, Kris Durham, Aaron Murray, Bacarri Rambo, Shawn Williams, Blair Walsh, Drew Butler, DeAngelo Tyson, etc. who all played a lot on that team. All of them at least stuck in the NFL for awhile. Green and Houston are two of the very best players in the NFL. Ogletree, Glenn, and Boling are players of significance.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
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I know this isn't said to me...but we are all talking about overall talent. Does not matter what year the talent is in. Nobody making the statements above differentiated on what class the talent was concentrated in. And, I would argue strongly the 2010 team had less talent for starters.
Well if you're going to use that argument the 2010 roster doesn't look all that bad.
QB: Murray
WR: Bennett, Brown, Green, Durham, TK
TE: Charles, Lynch
OL: Boling, Glenn, Ben Jones
DL: Garrison Smith, Dobbs, Avery Jones, Tyson
LB: Houston, Washington, Dent, Jarvis Jones (not eligible), Ogletree (listed at SS)
DB: Commings, Boykin, Rambo, Shawn Williams
K: Blair Walsh
It wasn't like that team didn't have talent. It was just a lot of young talent.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:32 pm to Crowknowsbest
If you want to say the worst Sr class you would have a point but thats not what was talked about on the post Dawglife had mentioned.Going back to the mid 90's is absurd.
Hell,the prevoius staff was getting blamed for just about every ill this team had.
Hell,the prevoius staff was getting blamed for just about every ill this team had.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:33 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Crowknowsbest
Well we appeared to be on the same page there
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:49 pm to WG_Dawg
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I wholeheartedly disagree as it relates to our 2016 football team. People could say the 06 team had Knowshon at RB which according to the roster is true, and Knowshon is one of the best RBs we've had, but he didn't even play in 06 so his talent relating to that team is irrelevant. We have a ton of young guys that are probably going to do major things for us, but that doesnt' mean squat concerning 2016.
But that is not what people are saying. You are changing the conversation. Look at all the quotes above. They were talking about the roster.
We all know juniors and seniors (All things being equal) should play better than freshmen and sophomores, just because of experience. That is "all things being equal". Trouble is...'all things being equal is a fantasy. NEVER are all things equal.
I mean...who do you want to be our QB THIS year? Lambert, or Eason?
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We have a ton of young guys that are probably going to do major things for us, but that doesnt' mean squat concerning 2016.
Yes it does. Those young guys are playing right now. Marshall. Herrien. Thompson. Eason. Rochester. Roquan Smith. Patrick. Baker. And we can go on and on. These are guys making meaningful contributions. (Let's not lose sight that Gaillard, Godwin, Hawkins are all Sophomores or younger, too.
One of the concerns we all had at the beginning of the year was our depth at DL. Nobody would make that argument now. It is one of our strongest positions because the young guys have stepped up, and in some cases passed the upper classmen.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:52 pm to DawgsLife
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Yes it does. Those young guys are playing right now. Marshall. Herrien. Thompson. Eason. Rochester. Roquan Smith. Patrick. Baker. And we can go on and on. These are guys making meaningful contributions. (Let's not lose sight that Gaillard, Godwin, Hawkins are all Sophomores or younger, too.
Our argument is not that those guys are playing well for freshmen. It's that they aren't playing as well as the upperclassmen we should have would play.
That's how it impacts the strength of the current roster.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:52 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Well if you're going to use that argument the 2010 roster doesn't look all that bad.
Well...the players actually have to be playing, of course. From the argument that what year they are in matters, what I am saying is only if they are playing, or not. Come on guys. You are the posters I have the most respect for as far as being objective. Don't start straining at gnats and twisting arguments.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:57 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Our argument is not that those guys are playing well for freshmen. It's that they aren't playing as well as the upperclassmen we should have would play.
Nobody knows what we "should have". I mean, we can all say "We are Georgia so we should have ____________."
Thing is the freshmen are so talented they are passing the Juniors and seniors on the roster.
Look at the roster and tell me....how many players roster wide do you think will play in the NFL? A TON.
And most of those guys are playing right now.
Now. I don't want you to think this is a slam against Kirby Smart, because those young guys playing right now? they are being developed by Kirby. I give him the full credit for the improvement I have seen the past 3 weeks. You know I have been a vocal critic of Kirby. But I honestly try to be fair. And along with criticism goes praise. He gets a lot (If not all) of credit for what I have seen the past 3 weeks.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:02 pm to DawgsLife
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Nobody knows what we "should have". I mean, we can all say "We are Georgia so we should have ____________."
Thing is the freshmen are so talented they are passing the Juniors and seniors on the roster.
We shouldn't have signed a 32 man 2013 class comprised of like 20 players who would never contribute in any way. We should have signed more players talented enough to hold off talented freshmen. Our freshmen are good, but they are not so good that 20/22 of them would be playing in a healthy UGA program.
We should also have a more talented OL. UGA is the flagship university of a state that churns out SEC linemen. UGA should have good ones.
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Look at the roster and tell me....how many players roster wide do you think will play in the NFL? A TON.
And most of those guys are playing right now.
Yes, and they will be very good. However, most of them should be developing and providing depth behind upperclassmen who will also play in the NFL. They are playing right now because we don't have those upperclassmen. Hopefully it accelerates their development.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 3:08 pm
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