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re: Les Miles coaching for his job
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
How did Les leverage such a large buyout? Is Sexton his agent? I would assume it's a two way deal in that if Les wanted to go somewhere, it would cost someone a bunch but $17mm? That's outrageous.
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:38 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I have to
Those kinds of "wins" happen all. the. time. and inspire no confidence at all,
at this. Good God, this is revisionist. 
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:40 am to Diamondawg
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How did Les leverage such a large buyout?
It was after the 2012 season. His record the previous 3 years at that point was 34-6, with an SEC title and NC game appearance.
Since then we're 13-9 in the SEC with 2 to go, the discipline/execution has tapered off dramatically, and now even most of the wins are so ugly/hard to watch that it's drained the enthusiasm right out of the fan base. See my Syracuse example on the last page.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:43 am to JuiceTerry
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Good God, this is revisionist.
It isn't, at all. I'm not a big style points guy but when you're constantly playing down to your competition with lots of dumb penalties and poor execution that's a problem, You can deal with it if you're at least also playing up to your competition as well but even that's not happening anymore, we've had 5 blowout losses the last 2 years!
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:44 am to Jacknola
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Jacknola
He refuses to adapt or make any kind of adjustment.
Absolutely will not do it.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
It's not worth arguing about, and maybe you're an outlier, but the amount of confidence you guys had going in to the Bama game was clownish. Maybe it was just insecurity masking as confidence, but you cannot seriously make the case that the Syracuse game, etc., caused any lack of puff in the LSU fanbase.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:49 am to CBandits82
quote:That's hard to debate. When Fournette was getting eaten up by Alabama, just a little bit of a passing game might have opened up a bit. It was like Miles was scared to death to even try to pass with Harris. What the hell! You are getting beat anyway - what difference does it make if you get beat worse because of Harris. Try something different!
He refuses to adapt or make any kind of adjustment.
Absolutely will not do it.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:50 am to JuiceTerry
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but you cannot seriously make the case that the Syracuse game, etc., caused any lack of puff in the LSU fanbase.
Well we had at least historically played Bama tough so there was some reason for optimism there but if you want to go look at the scoreboard from the Syracuse/EMU games you'll see what I'm talking about.
Also td.com is not necessarily a good representation of the LSU fans base.
The ranters who come over to the SECr on Bama week is an even smaller subset.
I know a lot more LSU fans than you do and we've been exasperated for awhile now.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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like UK with Tubby?
Kentucky didn't fire Tubby, he left on his own. And Les is really only losing to Alabama, not suffering double digit losses per season like Tubby was at the end. Not a good analogy.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:54 am to AU24
Rule of thumb: Don't fire a successful coach because he doesn't win enough big games.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
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"This always happens in America," Klinsmann said in the interview, which was released on Wednesday. "Kobe Bryant, for example -- why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?"
Or you could look at it as you are paying a proven commodity. Miles is not a 30 year old running back.
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Cam's contract is up after this season and everyone on staff has only 1 more year left on their deal. That's what the Chavis flap was all about, he wanted a guaranteed deal past 2016 and Alleva said no.
Miles has a FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLAR buyout. You cannot justify paying that
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:01 am to JuiceTerry
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It's not worth arguing about, and maybe you're an outlier, but the amount of confidence you guys had going in to the Bama game was clownish
THIS. It was every other freaking thread that week and every third thread all season on how Bama would not be able to stop LSU. I like reposting the bad predictions after a game but that week was so bad I had to include them all in one post there were so many
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:04 am to Jacknola
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Jacknola
quote:This post deserves more attention IMO. It's very telling about Coach Miles and the state of the LSU program.
Though an Alabama graduate, 4th-gen legacy, etc., I've lived in New Orleans for 35 years and followed LSU closely because I am a prep football fan. My opinion, Les Miles is limited upstairs. I'm not kidding and that goofiness isn't an act. He cannot change because he actually has no idea how to do anything different or organize his team differently. The last four-five recruiting classes at LSU have been very flawed. There are simply no defensive linemen, very few quality OL, SEC LBs are almost non existent. One year no DTs at all were recruited. All those highly rated recruiting classes were built on a few quality players, all of whom played the same positions. So what about this 2015 recruiting class where LSU has the current #1 class? Same thing all over again. Two DT, two OL have been recruited thus far despite the obvious need. I won't bother to compare Alabama's recruiting class thus far this year which has concentrate on the OL and front 7 (again) despite the plethora of talent they already have in those positions. Next year is shaping up to possibly be a black hole for LSU. Questions abound at Qb, OL, DE, DT, LBs and the team is going to have to play a LOT of freshmen. It will not be possible for LSU to field a team with much of a power game unless he recruits the heck out of jr. college players...which he has not done in the past. And the power game is just about the only thing he knows. Last problem I see is the culture that has existed in the locker room since Perriloux. Cliques, attitudes, work ethic... it is more akin to a River Parish high school team (and river parish players are the core of the team). That culture is one reason it is hard to recruit certain type players from out of state. Truth is... Miles really is a nice guy, not a bad coach (except on the sidelines of a game), but he is limited and it will take 3-4 years to rebuild a contending team because the recruiting scheme has simply left too many holes. Plus it is going to take a Texas-type rooting out of the current what-me-worry culture. Maybe it is time for LSU to cut the losses. Perhaps he should consider retiring with honor.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:07 am to RT1941
This was a great post.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:07 am to Jacknola
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The last four-five recruiting classes at LSU have been very flawed. There are simply no defensive linemen, very few quality OL, SEC LBs are almost non existent. One year no DTs at all were recruited. All those highly rated recruiting classes were built on a few quality players, all of whom played the same positions.
Your post made me want to do some digging, so here we go. Out of the 4 stars and above crowd for LSU the past few years:
2015:
2 CBs
3 WRs
2 RBs
1 OG
2 OT
1 ATH
1 DE
Damn, 1 defensive end, 2 corners, the rest offensive players.
2014:
3 Safeties
1 RB
1 OLB
2 WR
2 DE
1 TE
1 ATH
3 Oline
So 1 linebacker, 2 DEs, 3 safeties for the D. Also that makes it one linebacker 4 star and above for LSU in the past two recruiting classes. Damn.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:17 am to Tidefan44
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This is a very young and talented LSU team and they are stacked for next season. It would be a mistake to let Les go.
This is the conventional wisdom of Tr. If it were true, then perhaps this isn't a crisis for LSU. However, in my opinion it isn't true.
The team is not particularly young this year. But however "young" it is, it will probably be "younger" overall next year in the two-deep. And the team isn't "stacked." The same holes, weaknesses, that were apparent this year will be there next year, QB, OL, DT, DE, LB... even WR ability to catch is sometimes debatable.
How are the deficiencies exposed this year supposed to be corrected for next year? By incoming freshmen? Natural development? Change in scheme or "coaching up" the players that are already there? Lots of questions usually don't result in uniformly positive answers.
Perhaps the saving grace for LSU next year is that several SECw teams will be rebuilding big time... Miss State, Ole Miss in particular. But based on the Arky and Alabama games this year, all opponents will know how to approach the LSU game. In my observer opinion, next year for LSU is in question.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:27 am to kywildcatfanone
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And Les is really only losing to Alabama
This just isn't true
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:44 am to StopRobot
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Without looking it up Miles winning percentage has to be top 10% nationally plus with a HUGE buyout not just for him but also his assistants he is not going anywhere.
I can't help but feel all LSU's rival fans want Les Miles to stay, which gives me great pause.
The buyout will not fall on LSU.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:48 am to kywildcatfanone
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Kentucky didn't fire Tubby, he left on his own. And Les is really only losing to Alabama, not suffering double digit losses per season like Tubby was at the end. Not a good analogy.
LSU can't seem to compete with Arkansas either. They got the wheels blown off for the second year in a row.
There are many other issues, such as why does the offense look bad? Why does the defense look bad? Why does special teams look bad? Why is there no sense of urgency during the game? Why so many delay of game penalties? Why can't they call a play in from the sidelines? Why can't they ever adjust in any area? Why can't they ever have a decent QB not developed under some other coach or program? I could go on for a long time on this.
It's beyond losing to Alabama at this point.
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