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re: Johnny Football. Best SEC player in last 20 years?
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:38 pm to tuptiger
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:38 pm to tuptiger
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but Manziel made some passes Newton can't make.
I'm bored so I'll bite.
Manziel blindly chucked balls into space and Mike Evans bailed him out. Evans and that OL they had in 2012 could've made Khiel Frazier look competent.
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:39 pm to craigbiggio
Ask yourself this question: could Manziel have won the national championship with 2010 Auburn?
I wouldn't bet on it. Not at all.
I wouldn't bet on it. Not at all.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:39 pm to BowlJackson
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Manziel blindly chucked balls into space and Mike Evans bailed him out.
Your low football IQ is showing.
Go watch the 12 Bama tape
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:40 pm to tuptiger
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He might be the best player I've ever seen in my lifetime in CFB.
I'd probably go with Vince Young or Larry Fitzgerald, but Vick was in god mode against FSU.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:40 pm to Ross
No because he would have choked vs LSU like he always did
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:42 pm to tuptiger
Also, actually it's by your own logic that an older player's accomplishments would be worth less
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:43 pm to craigbiggio
basically yeah. Cam was the only reason Auburn marched all over that defense. It was a great defense that season.
And Alabama would have likely gone down as a loss as well.
And Alabama would have likely gone down as a loss as well.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:45 pm to texag7
I was at that game actually. There's a reason he was out of the NFL so quickly. His style of playing QB doesn't usually make it past 4A high school ball
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:47 pm to BowlJackson
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I was at that game actually. There's a reason he was out of the NFL so quickly. His style of playing QB doesn't usually make it past 4A high school ball
So was I. He was out of the NFL because he's an idiot.
But saying his passing game was just throwing jump balls to Mike Evans is just not factually correct.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:49 pm to texag7
Manziel was at his best when he improvised and made plays out of nothing. That just doesn't happen consistently at the NFL level.
Fun to watch in college though.
Fun to watch in college though.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:54 pm to KingofthePoint
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Not many players can just throw it up and let Mike Evans go get it.
Come on now. Evans only accounted for 2499 of Manziel's 7820 passing yards. Still a decent chunk but he also had another almost 2200 on the ground.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:54 pm to Old Sarge
Tebow was by far the worst of the three
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:56 pm to tuptiger
Best player against a non-LSU opponent.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:57 pm to tuptiger
Tim Tebow. If Cam had done it for four years like Tebow did then he might have an argument. People here have a nasty habit of downplaying Timmy's stats for some reason. Look at his best season compared to Cam's single season. Tebow stacks up very well.
That being said, it's not wrong per se to claim that Newton was better. I just happen to disagree. Tebow's stats compare very well to Cam's, he did it for four years with three as the starter, and college football has never seen a leader on Tebow's level.
But Manziel? Don't fricking make me laugh.
That being said, it's not wrong per se to claim that Newton was better. I just happen to disagree. Tebow's stats compare very well to Cam's, he did it for four years with three as the starter, and college football has never seen a leader on Tebow's level.
But Manziel? Don't fricking make me laugh.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:58 pm to tuptiger
Cam. Not much of a question.
1 was an undefeated heisman winning national champion.
The other won the heisman but nothing significant the rest of his career.
1 was an undefeated heisman winning national champion.
The other won the heisman but nothing significant the rest of his career.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 12:00 am
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:59 pm to tuptiger
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:59 pm to tuptiger
Cam was definitely better and probably Tebow too. Watching teams try and defend Can Newton Auburn offenses was like pulling teeth. They were unstoppable.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:01 am to texag7
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He was out of the NFL because he's an idiot
He could've a genius like Andrew Luck and his skill set still would've only bought him one, maybe 2 more seasons holding a clipboard max
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But saying his passing game was just throwing jump balls to Mike Evans is just not factually correct.
He also had running around in circles until Mike Evans got open down pat.
But seriously, without Mike Evans there's zero chance Manziel wins a Heisman or gets drafted 1st round.
Without his supporting cast Manziel is a better passing Pat White. Which is still a really good college player, but nowhere close to an NFL QB or a conference all-timer
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:03 am to BowlJackson
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Evans and that OL they had in 2012 could've made Khiel Frazier look competent.
That's BS. Evans accounted for 1105 of Manziel's 5116 total yards and 5 of his 47 total TDs. His OL was good but there were plenty of times defenders got through and Manziel had use his magic to escape and make a play. Manziel is a shitty NFL player for obvious reasons but I don't see how you can doubt his greatness in college. That being said I don't agree with OP.
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