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re: Hypothetical Mississippi State question for non state fans
Posted on 10/25/11 at 1:56 pm to Wolfpacleader
Posted on 10/25/11 at 1:56 pm to Wolfpacleader
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f I was a state fan, I would classify 8-4 as a very good year, and be happy with 7-5(depending on who you play from the east/their strength) with a bowl game win.
As long as no difficult OOC games are scheduled, it seems very reasonable and acheiveable.
As far as recruiting goes, top 50 seems like a reasonable expectation.
MSU might be able to succeed in a different conf, but too many big boys around.
I agree with this 100% and these are my reasonable expectations for Kentucky as well but there's not many opportunities for teams to go 4-4 in conference if LSU, Bama, etc. are going 8-0 and 7-1.
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Posted on 10/25/11 at 1:56 pm to m2pro
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it's extremely difficult for MSU to keep up with the big boys in the SEC in recruiting... and that's that.
How does Dan Mullen or any future Head Coach fix this? How can we compete in recruiting against Bama, LSU, and Auburn?
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:01 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
A bowl game every 3 to 5 years. Also, free cheese.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:04 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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How does Dan Mullen or any future Head Coach fix this? How can we compete in recruiting against Bama, LSU, and Auburn?
I doubt that any one factor can be brought to the table to change it; a few things need to happen, and one of them Mullen is doing right-- he's beating Ole Miss into the dirt. That has to be the first step, really. In a small state, splitting talent evenly or near evenly is a bad start. You need to dominate.
The second step is being competitive for years on end. You don't have to win 10, beat #1, have a Heisman guy on the roster. Win regularly, and you can slowly develop a decent reputation as a fall back for when Alabama's or LSU's last two or three guys get crowded out by limited scholarship offers. It'd be nice if you had a position where you became known for grooming future NFL players, but that's probably a bit unrealistic right now.
You'll also have to hit the great Mississippi JC system pretty hard-- the Bill Synder method-- and you need some breaks. A couple of major programs going on probation or in the tank would be a huge boon-- I think if LSU was to come crashing down in a huge scandal, MSU would be in a good position to try to glean some real benefits from it with kids from Eastern Louisiana who would normally be depth chart filler at LSU.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:04 pm to Rebelgator
If Mizzou comes in, move State to the east. They'd have a better chance there.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:06 pm to m2pro
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MSU has the strength to do what they really want to do... but their problem is being in the SECw right this second.
it's extremely difficult for MSU to keep up with the big boys in the SEC in recruiting... and that's that.
pretty much sums it up. Last year's team was probably one of State's best in years. It just happened to be that LSU, BAMA, Aub, and arky also are playing at the elite level. Any other year in the last decade, we finish higher no doubt.
This post was edited on 10/25/11 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:07 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Want: To win the National Championship like everyone.
Expect: Finishing no better than 3rd in the West.
Not flaming at all. Just what i really think. Same way I feel about us.
Expect: Finishing no better than 3rd in the West.
Not flaming at all. Just what i really think. Same way I feel about us.
This post was edited on 10/25/11 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:08 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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If Mizzou comes in, move State to the east. They'd have a better chance there.
+1
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:09 pm to Cdawg
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Last year's team was probably one of State's best in years. It just happened to be that LSU, BAMA, Aub, and arky also are playing at the elite level. Any other year in the last decade, we finish higher no doubt.
totally agreed. you put that MSU team in a lot of other conferences, and you'd have no problem gaining some speed for a few years. THEN you'd have to have loyal enough coaching to stick around and do something with it.
in the end, that is another issue. how long WILL Mullen expend his energy on doing it? i say that totally unbiased. hell, i hope he stays for y'all.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:12 pm to BoardReader
That was a pretty good take. Liek Snyder, State's going to have to consistently be a bowl team(at least 6 wins) every year and gradually build. It's not happening overnight. I think it took Snyder about 5 years to build that up to be just consistent and that was in an easier conference.
That and we'll have to wait out Les and Saban.
That and we'll have to wait out Les and Saban.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:13 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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How does Dan Mullen or any future Head Coach fix this? How can we compete in recruiting against Bama, LSU, and Auburn?
target, LA, TX, GA, and FL.
To do that, you need more donations from the alumni or a higher tuition from the students to raise the Ath Dept budget.
Coach Chizik completely revamped AU's recruiting strategy(regardless of how hokie some of it was) it has produced Top 5 classes more consistently that Tubs every did.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:14 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
7 to 8 wins a year. A good year would be 9 wins. Going to a bowl game every year is not unrealistic, b/c you only have to win 6 games. It will be hard to any better than on a consistent basis with Bama and LSU getting a lot of the top talent in Miss.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:14 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
I think a lot of this goes back to Mullen.
He gives the fans these expectations of an outstanding season and you want to believe the guy and should expect your team to perform to higher standards. You just don't need to sweat it when you lose a game due to the extremely talented teams in the SEC.
I thought State was going to have a real good season this year because I believed the hype and it has been a hard pill to swallow being 3-4 now.
He gives the fans these expectations of an outstanding season and you want to believe the guy and should expect your team to perform to higher standards. You just don't need to sweat it when you lose a game due to the extremely talented teams in the SEC.
I thought State was going to have a real good season this year because I believed the hype and it has been a hard pill to swallow being 3-4 now.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:16 pm to TigerPox
MULLEN is the exact coach MSU needs... someone that not only believes, but sells the fans on it too.
you can't get anywhere if your own crew doesn't believe. recruiting would be impossible.
lucky for him, -faith- as a concept is certainly not something people in the south are unfamiliar with.
you can't get anywhere if your own crew doesn't believe. recruiting would be impossible.
lucky for him, -faith- as a concept is certainly not something people in the south are unfamiliar with.
This post was edited on 10/25/11 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:21 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Just wait for the new teams to come into the conference. The two more teams will bring teams who have always been average in the sec a new chance.
Also hope auburn and alabama get moved to the east and vandy moved in the west to make room for Missouri
Also hope auburn and alabama get moved to the east and vandy moved in the west to make room for Missouri
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:24 pm to m2pro
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MULLEN is the exact coach MSU needs... someone that not only believes, but sells the fans on it too.
I agree with you and I do get a lil hot headed with Mullen (see the LATech ingame thread) but he is a great fit at MSU and the program wouldn't have the hype now that it has without him. NIH said he really has made football exciting at MSU and I'm behind Mullen 100%.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:31 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Is all the talk about Mullen being a great developer of talent over?
What's the general feeling on him in Starkville these days?
What's the general feeling on him in Starkville these days?
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:32 pm to TigerPox
Given the conference and conference division, I'd invest the program's money into a sport State could be elite at. The right coach and right facilities for baseball and basketball would do wonders.
Now, they should have done this before the SEC decided to put its money where its mouth is in basketball and baseball.
For football, consistent 5-7 wins with an 8-9 win season every third year is realistic.
Now, they should have done this before the SEC decided to put its money where its mouth is in basketball and baseball.
For football, consistent 5-7 wins with an 8-9 win season every third year is realistic.
Posted on 10/25/11 at 2:34 pm to TigerPox
MSU needs to have realistic expectation based on the resources of the state, especially being wedged between Alabama and LSU. Winning the instate battle for talent is just a fraction of what you'll need to compete regularly. SC is twice the size of MS, w/ 1 less D-1 school, and we're still aways from being a sustainable winner. 10 of our starting 22 come from out of state and Spurrier has done a great job winning the instate talent.
I was surprised that MSU hired Mullen. They didn't need system coach as much as they needed a recruiter. He does a good job of preaching to the choir, but can't make the sale. OM does a better job of finding out-of-state recruits, which is why I think they're just a head coach away from displacing MSU. Orgeron would have done well except he doesn't know crap about coaching. Charlie Strong would have been a better hire than Mullen. He's a great recruiter.
I was surprised that MSU hired Mullen. They didn't need system coach as much as they needed a recruiter. He does a good job of preaching to the choir, but can't make the sale. OM does a better job of finding out-of-state recruits, which is why I think they're just a head coach away from displacing MSU. Orgeron would have done well except he doesn't know crap about coaching. Charlie Strong would have been a better hire than Mullen. He's a great recruiter.
This post was edited on 10/25/11 at 3:07 pm
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