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re: HUNH against the "spirit of the game"?

Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:16 pm to
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Should the offense be able to dictate whether or not the defense can substitute? IMO it should not.


Defenses can still substitute with the HUNH. AU did it against A&M.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:17 pm to
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Should the offense be able to dictate whether or not the defense can substitute? IMO it should not.


They don't. The defense can sub whenever they want. Where do you people keep coming up with this idea?
Posted by BamaNixon
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:17 pm to
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Should the offense be able to dictate whether or not the defense can substitute? IMO it should not.



To me, that's the only debate. I don't think it's "whining" to argue that no, the offense and the defense should have the same opportunity to huddle and scheme if they desire to. I think that the opposite argument is also valid - that, yes, the offense has always dictated the pace of the game and that shouldn't be limited at all.

Personally, I fall more into the second category. It's too weird to say that the offense can only control the pace of the game for 2 minutes a half. I'm opposed to complication.

Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:18 pm to
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AU did it against A&M


And Wazzou.

And MSU

And Ole Miss

etc, etc, etc...
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:18 pm to
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To me, that's the only debate. I


So, your only debate is about something that doesn't exist?

This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted by BamaNixon
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:19 pm to
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The defense can sub whenever they want.


But that's not really true, right? I mean, take Auburn's (frankly genius) strategy of running the exact same play over and over as quickly as they can until it gets stopped. The defense can't substitute that quickly.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:20 pm to
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Those were Gus's recruits. And according to Auburn posters on this site, he has a CB playing QB right now.

Kiehl Frazier was also his hand-picked quarterback.

Why is he having so much trouble getting a legitimate QB recruit?


Look at what I posted about the OL that year. That is why Russell Wilson did not want to come to AU his last year.
Posted by BamaNixon
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:20 pm to
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So, your only debate is about something that doesn't exist?



Your assertion is incorrect. I'm not particularly surprised by that.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:20 pm to
No I believe my honesty is far more accurate, but thanks for trying.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:21 pm to
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running the exact same play over and over as quickly as they can until it gets stopped


You mean a strategy that has been around almost as long as football?

quote:

The defense can't substitute that quickly.


Then how did Auburn do it? It is called planning ahead. Damn HUNHD
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:21 pm to
I don't mind the HUNH offense at all. I hope Saban and all other non-HUNH coaches teach their players to fake injuries.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:21 pm to
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Your assertion is incorrect. I'm not particularly surprised by that.


Okay. Then link me to where it says the defense can only sub when the offense does.
Posted by BamaNixon
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:21 pm to
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No I believe my honesty is far more accurate, but thanks for trying.



You're welcome. Thanks for your utter lack of effort/ability!
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:22 pm to
So, you want your coaches to violate the ethics of the NCAA?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:22 pm to
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But that's not really true, right? I mean, take Auburn's (frankly genius) strategy of running the exact same play over and over as quickly as they can until it gets stopped. The defense can't substitute that quickly.

Not every time, but on most plays they can as long as they are prepared to sub immediately when the play ends.

ETA: That is what AU did against HUNH teams and it worked fairly well as far as changing personnel.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted by DivePlay
Member since Sep 2012
948 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:23 pm to
So HUNH is against the "spirit of the game" but oversigning and exploiting recruiting loopholes is A-OK!

Spare me the Bama football moral superiority false concern....
Posted by BamaNixon
Stumptown
Member since Nov 2010
3266 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:23 pm to
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Okay. Then link me to where it says the defense can only sub when the offense does.



Are you this dim? Do you not understand that the defense is unable to substitute (not by rule, but by practicality) when plays are run that quickly?

Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
105405 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:24 pm to
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So HUNH is against the "spirit of the game" but oversigning and exploiting recruiting loopholes is A-OK!

Spare me the Bama football moral superiority false concern....


The hits keep on coming, but fall on deaf ears or blind eyes in this case.
Posted by BamaNixon
Stumptown
Member since Nov 2010
3266 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:25 pm to
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So HUNH is against the "spirit of the game" but oversigning and exploiting recruiting loopholes is A-OK!

Spare me the Bama football moral superiority false concern....


Are you replying to me? I haven't said anything of the sort.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:26 pm to
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Are you this dim? Do you not understand that the defense is unable to substitute (not by rule, but by practicality) when plays are run that quickly?


This isn't difficult. Other teams do it. You say it can't be done, yet Auburn does it. So, your assertion is proven wrong.

I then ask you to provide a ruling for it. You can't. Therefore your entire argument is refuted.

You can keep spinning your wheels all you want, but it is becoming tired.
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