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re: HUNH against the "spirit of the game"?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:26 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:26 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Is it against the rules? If the ultimate goal is to score more points than your opponent and it is not against the rules why not do it?
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:26 pm to BamaNixon
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Are you this dim? Do you not understand that the defense is unable to substitute (not by rule, but by practicality) when plays are run that quickly?
For the upteenth time.....Auburn substituted at will against Ole Miss. Ole Miss and Auburn are the only two real HUNH O's in the SEC. That boils down to coaches having their players prepared to sub in and out.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:27 pm to BamaNixon
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You're welcome. Thanks for your utter lack of effort/ability!
Just honesty my man. I didn't expect many to like it, but that is your issue to deal with. Real talk is not always easy.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:28 pm to WDE24
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Not every time, but on most plays they can as long as they are prepared to sub immediately when the play ends.
True, but I didn't say it was impossible to substitute ALL THE TIME. But it is pretty much impossible to scheme based on down and distance.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:30 pm to BamaNixon
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But it is pretty much impossible to scheme based on down and distance.
So this isn't about player safety. It's about trying to stack the deck in your favor?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:30 pm to auggie
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My feeling is, it shouldn't matter what the rules are, as long as they are the same for everybody. I am an Auburn Fan, but I don't really get a thrill from watching a hurry up offense.
If a Coach can't find a way to line up and be competitive against the other team, when they have to play by the same rules as he does, then he is in over his head.
Let them change the rule, it shouldn't matter anyway, the rules will still be the same for everybody.
^^^This guy gets it....if the rules are same for everyone, then what does it matter? If Gus is the coach everyone thinks he is, then the rule change shouldn't really affect the outcome dramatically unless he has a single offensive philosophy.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:30 pm to Oizers
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Deliberately teaching players to violate the rules is indefensible. The
coaching of intentional holding, beating the ball, illegal shifting, feigning
injury, interference, illegal forward passing or intentional roughing will break
down rather than aid in the building of the character of players. Such instruction
is not only unfair to one’s opponent but is demoralizing to the players entrusted
to a coach’s care and has no place in a game that is an integral part of an
educational program.
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. Feigning an injury for any reason is unethical. An injured player must
be given full protection under the rules, but feigning injury is dishonest,
unsportsmanlike and contrary to the spirit of the rules. Such tactics
cannot be tolerated among sportsmen of integrity.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:31 pm to WDE24
This whole argument devolves quickly into fans of certain teams arguing for what benefits their team currently.
However, the larger picture is more an aesthetic one.
We can all agree that HUNH attempts to, for one example, snap the ball before defensive players get their normal splits. HUNH coaches say flat out that's what they're trying to do so there's no arguing this point.
To me it basically boils down to whether we want to watch football where this becomes the norm for every team or preserve more of the dynamic of football as a discrete series of designed plays on both sides of the ball.
However, the larger picture is more an aesthetic one.
We can all agree that HUNH attempts to, for one example, snap the ball before defensive players get their normal splits. HUNH coaches say flat out that's what they're trying to do so there's no arguing this point.
To me it basically boils down to whether we want to watch football where this becomes the norm for every team or preserve more of the dynamic of football as a discrete series of designed plays on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:32 pm to 14&Counting
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If Gus is the coach everyone thinks he is, then the rule change shouldn't really affect the outcome dramatically unless he has a single offensive philosophy.
In all honesty, the exact same thing can be said about saban and his D mind.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:33 pm to BamaNixon
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True, but I didn't say it was impossible to substitute ALL THE TIME
Did you not agree with this statement?
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Should the offense be able to dictate whether or not the defense can substitute? IMO it should not.
Yet you just said its not the case all the time? Which is it? The defense can only sub when the offense lets them, or the defense can sub when they want?
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it is pretty much impossible to scheme based on down and distance.
Guess Auburn can accomplish the impossible then
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:34 pm to wm72
quote:That is a fair discussion to have. I like a variety of styles and the continuing larger chess game of coaches developing systems to match the systems currently trending.
To me it basically boils down to whether we want to watch football where this becomes the norm for every team or preserve more of the dynamic of football as a discrete series of designed plays on both sides of the ball.
My biggest gripe at the moment is the insulting assertion that this rule change is being proposed based on player safety.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:34 pm to BamaNixon
this ten seconds would go some ways towards preventing what gus and others actually do. they dont necessarily snap the ball so quick, but the line up ready to snap the ball almost immediately, before the play is called, which freezes the defensive personnel on the field (because the ball could be snapped at any point then). once the d is stuck they do the meerkat thing and get the actual play called in. in this case its not about tempo at all, its merely about trapping the D on the field. what they really need to do is limit the sideline to field communication like the do in the nfl, where nothing can be said to the team in the last 15 seconds of the play clock, so that the offense has to commit to a play, the d gets an opportunity to get set, and any adjustments have to be made by the players.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:35 pm to narddogg81
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was gus running the hunh when he scored zero points against alabama in 2011? nick knows how to stop this crap, he just had personnel problems in 2013, mainly a #1 CB who is really just a #2 guy and was injured the whole year, and then a bunch a true freshman and guys who had never played CB in college. in 2011 we had 2 first round cbs playing who could cover in man and we shut gus down, made take his ball and run home
This is laughable. Personell problems? You mean the 4 stars you had didn't pan out? Boo fricking hoo.
We had 3 freshman on the OL in 2011 and the other two OL were a converted juco TE and a terrible OG who didn't sniff the NFL. Get that personell shite out of here.
We actually had a good OL this year and look what happened. It doesn't matter what kind of offense you run, if your line sucks, your offense will suck. That's exactly what happened to us in 2011. QB's didn't help, but they were never able to do anything because our line got torched all year.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:35 pm to 14&Counting
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If a Coach can't find a way to line up and be competitive against the other team, when they have to play by the same rules as he does, then he is in over his head.
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Let them change the rule
Those are conflicting views.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:35 pm to wm72
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This whole argument devolves quickly into fans of certain teams arguing for what benefits their team currently.
However, the larger picture is more an aesthetic one.
We can all agree that HUNH attempts to, for one example, snap the ball before defensive players get their normal splits. HUNH coaches say flat out that's what they're trying to do so there's no arguing this point.
To me it basically boils down to whether we want to watch football where this becomes the norm for every team or preserve more of the dynamic of football as a discrete series of designed plays on both sides of the ball.
This is it. It is about what we want football to be. The HUNH isn't fun to watch. The broadcasts can't even run a solid replay without missing the next play. Too much like basketball.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:36 pm to CrimsonCoast
I just get a good old fashioned kick in the arse with all the Alabama fans and their midget coach wanting to get rid of the HUNH offense even though I remember several occasions of watching bama games and them running it. Now it wasn't every play or even the majority, but they sure in the hell did it several times a game. Amazing how they want to be able to do it but wanna bitch about how other teams are taking away the meaning of the game. You were not good enough to win your 3rd championship......not good enough....let that sink in, get a grip on reality and learn to adjust like we all have to.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:36 pm to CrimsonCoast
Completely disagree. I love watching it.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:37 pm to CrimsonCoast
quote:I think more people would disagree with that than would agree. Like I said, I prefer a variety of styles. I wouldn't like it if everyone used the same style. BTW, AU games were infinitely more fun and interesting to watch than Bama games last year.
The HUNH isn't fun to watch.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:37 pm to WDE24
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I like a variety of styles and the continuing larger chess game of coaches developing systems to match the systems currently trending.
Bingo.
People don't bitch about the triple option any more because they have largely figured out how to stop it. Same with the wishbone. Same with the wildcat. Figure out a way to stop the offense if you think it is a gimmick or trend. changing rules against it, proves that these coaches do not view it is so. They see it is a threat to their view of how football should be played.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:38 pm to stbpike24
quote:we were however good enough to beat the shite out of you for the 3rd time in a row, so what does that say about LSU? #decline
You were not good enough to win your 3rd championship......not good enough.
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