re: HUNH against the "spirit of the game"?

There was a time not too long ago when Spurrier's fun and gun seemed pretty unstoppable. SEC defenses got faster and the advantage Spurrier had was somewhat marginalized.

And that bothers me how? Yeah I was mad we lost but that feeling went away when I watched the decline of bama in a 2 game swoop. We lost and I give bama credit for beating us but at least we could beat auburn.

There was a question?

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It really isn't. Your assertion is gratuitous and, therefore, can be gratuitously denied. In practicality, when Auburn (or any team) runs a play, then runs up to the huddle and runs the exact same play, the defense is unable to substitute. Is it IMPOSSIBLE? No, of course not; no thinking person would assume I was saying so. It's utterly impractical because the substituting defensive player wouldn't have time to get in and get set

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Yet, you have argued it is impossible, but claim I am having an error in thinking? It can been done effectively. Teams do it plenty. Sorry you cant understand that fact.

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You're making a pretty typical error in thinking that I'm concerned about some dope on the internet who doesn't understand logic proclaiming victory in a discussion he doesn't fully grasp. I'm not. I'm just interested in the argument. If you think yours is the only one with any merit, then you're not worth having a discussion with. Don't worry, you aren't alone in this.

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Ignoring your clear ad hominems, If you are just here interested in the argument, why keep trying to make one that is clearly wrong? Why do you keep trying to say defenses can't substitute when they can? Sure the HUNH makes it more difficult, but it can be done as I have proven on multiple occasions. Why not just move on to a new talking point?

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You are just lucky LSU doesn't run a HUNH.

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and you are lucky we didnt have anyone who could kick a field goal. everyone gets lucky sometimes

Ahhhh so you are saying bama was lucky to beat LSU?

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GoCrazyAuburn

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Must be nice to be able to average about 350 posts a day non-stop on a message board. Snow day or unemployed living in mom's basement?

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Of course the HUNH allows for substitution some (or even MOST) of the time. However, sometimes it does not. Even the case you bring up (having players prepared to sub in and out) doesn't take into account the time needed to sub players in and out based on the down and distance. That is, it's hard to get your third-and-long package in when you don't know that it's going to be third-and-long.

Ole Miss didn't run plays at the pace that Auburn does when they really get going, either.

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Coaches have to be ready for every situation. If they are not ready, that's what timeouts are for.

This boils down to coaches who do not run HUNH O's wanting to take away any advantages for the HUNH team. Auburn's D went up against a HUNH O every day in practice. We had absolutely no problem when we played against a HUNH O. Take the damn time to work your D for a HUNH O, in practice, and stop crying about having to face it.

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Must be nice to be able to average about 350 posts a day non-stop on a message board.

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11,876 posts/4 years = 2969 posts per year/365 days = 8.13 per day. You were close

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Snow day or unemployed living in mom's basement?

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Cute. You obviously don't travel this site much.

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Yet, you have argued it is impossible

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I quoted someone that said it was impossible. I said it was impractical. Even then, the person I quoted was using "impossible" in the sense of "impracticable," as it is certainly NEVER impossible to substitute. Many people don't need the nuances of the English language explained to them so explicitly, but you obviously do. I'll do the best I can.

The argument (to me) is whether the offense should be able to control the defense's ability to substitute and scheme for the entire game. Should the offense be able to determine when and if the defense is able to substitute freely based on the down and distance? I lean toward "yes" because in the history of football, this has been the case. However, I can see both sides of the argument have valid points.

Yes, teams substitute against the HUNH, but, if run correctly, the offense can certainly make it completely impractical. Yes, Auburn substituted against Ole Miss. Yes, Alabama substituted against Auburn and Ole Miss, but, against Auburn, there were times when Alabama was unable to substitute against Auburn due to the speed that Auburn was running plays. Is this even debatable? I don't really get your argument. Are you trying to say that even when Auburn runs a play, runs up to the line, and runs the exact same play as soon as the ball is put into play, other teams can substitute in a practical manner?