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re: *ClusterF*** of the Day* Moment of silence please. 33 years ago.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:15 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:15 am to pvilleguru
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He was a lot like Saban, but he was usually nicer to the media.
Saban never did anything like what happened at Junction Texas. You would have to go to a Russian Gulag to find something comparable in that time.
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Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:16 am to Cheeky Fellow
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Ok, well, to use your words, "prove it"
I think in this thread if I have proven anything it is if you say bad things about the Bear Bama fans will come out of the woodwork to attack you.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:17 am to Jacknola
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I met him many times and can honestly say he is one of about three people I've been with that made me want to stand at attention. The others? General Omar Bradley, and General William Westmoreland who commanded the forces in Vietnam when I served there.
Coach Bryant had a quality of unreserved honesty.. and if he was wrong he admitted it. He never carried a grudge, for instance he actually told Georgia Tech (those consummate azzholes) that he would support them if they reapplied for entry into the SEC. This after the incredible dishonest calumny they created about him.
He knew more about football and people-quality than any of his contemporaries, and he would get down in the trenches and show how it was done well into his 50s. He was every bit as detailed as Nick Saban but with a magnetic personality.
Part of that was due to his moral stature. He was a completely devoted husband and no one ever questioned his personal honesty or morality, unlike ... say ... Barry Switzer et. al.
He never once blamed a player for anything, always took it on himself. But he would sit anyone who violated the rules ... including Joe Namath and Ken Stabler. Imagine a coach today sitting the nation's top QB for the Sugar Bowl game that defined the National Champion. He did it with Namath and proceeded to beat Nebraska with backup Steve Sloan at QB.
And he was gracious and outgoing to his coaching peers which is one reason the coach polls always favored him. Keep in mind that he coached and recruited long before there was an internet and recruiting services. You had to find players the hard way ... but his network with high school coaches was the best organized of anyone during this era because he nurtured those relationships.
Recruiting did not tell the whole story because of the uncertainties of the time. He was able to take those recruits and uniformly turn them into a highly performing team. And his football flexibility was in part due to his personal honesty. He was not stubborn.. he would completely change his approach to the game unlike many coaches if the times demanded it.
He knew more about the passing game than anyone, yet moved to the wishbone in the 70s and was almost unbeatable. And his role in integrating the teams of the SEC is widely known. But what isn't known is that when USC ran Slam Bam Cunningham at Alabama (I was in the stadium that day), he had already moved to integrate the Alabama team. Indeed he had black players on the team as early as 1968 and in 1961 had dressed out a black player and had him stand right next to him on national TV gamr against Tennessee at a time that there was only one game a week shown.
Of course the reason was that the Rose Bowl agreement between the Big-10 and PAC-8 had expired that year and he hoped Alabama would be invited so he wanted to project a certain imagine. Regardless... he took criticism for it but it didn't budge him at all.
I know this is the internet-era and the children on here these days seem to delight in being irreverent and downright lying stinking little punks like cardboardboxer. Ok, fine... be like that...(I can understand Tennessee and Auburn people hating... but LSU people?) But this generation could learn a lot from the Greatest Generation if they tried, and one of the greatest was Coach Bryant.
Unfortunately punks like cardboardboxer won't learn though, because they cannot imagine people like that. I'm lucky... I don't have to imagine.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:17 am to pvilleguru
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He said he wanted to be the Branch Rickey of college football when he was at Kentucky.
That sounds great. Give me a quote from a real source (internet link or page numbers) and I will believe you 100%.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:17 am to cardboardboxer
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But what do they get out of attacking it, even now? Just pain and heartache from an army of White Knights.
They don't have to attack it. But you don't find it odd that not one person who was around him a lot ever said he was close to being racist? Just give me one name of someone that knew him. That lawsuit you put on here earlier is a joke. That was just some lawyer that had no idea what he was talking about and just wanted to make a name for himeself. Could you not see where that guy had something to gain?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:19 am to cardboardboxer
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Saban never did anything like what happened at Junction Texas. You would have to go to a Russian Gulag to find something comparable in that time.
Saban isn't allowed to do anything like that.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:19 am to Jacknola
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Jacknola
Holy shite dude I've heard about RawlTides obsession with this guy but you just wrote a fricking soliloquy about a drunk.
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:20 am to pvilleguru
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Could you not see where that guy had something to gain?
I can. I surely can.
I will tell you what, I will delete racist out of that post. Will that make you feel better?
I already apologized for it. To me that was a minor point anyway that somehow became an entire thread.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:23 am to pvilleguru
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Saban isn't allowed to do anything like that.
And yet he still found a way to be the greatest coach of alltime.
My whole point, before the racism tangent, was that without such heavy-handed tactics Bear wouldn't have had the same success that he had. Hence why he can never be considered as good of a coach that Nick is.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:23 am to cardboardboxer
Cardboard, you could always throw in Bobby Bowden's name and I bet the hook will still be there
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:24 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:25 am to GameCocky88
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Bobby Bowden
A pussy and a cheater.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:26 am to cardboardboxer
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What do they get out of trying to tear down the legacy of one of the most successful coaches of all time? A lot of grief from Bama fans that take all this way too seriously, that's what.
Look shitehead. No one is taking Coach Bryant too seriously except as a role model, which he was. He was a product of dirt-poor Arkansas share croppers, brutally and completely honest, moral (he did drink though), indefatigable worker, driven by the fear of having to go back to the plow, perfectionist, with a magnetic personality.
Go and do likewise.
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fricking soliloquy about a drunk racist.
Yes I wrote an obit. When I came back from Vietnam and enrolled at Alabama in 1969, I was fortunate to meet Coach Bryant. I had some interaction with him for the next 10 years off an on though he probably didn't know my name. I don't understand why little people somehow think it brilliant prose to hurl imaginary insults at a distance of 30 years. Regardless, I know what I saw and experienced and I am sharing that for those who want the truth. What are you doing?
Apology: I wrongly associated this little ugly internet tramp with LSU. I was wrong and hasty and even though I occasionally get some good-natured comments about Coach Bryant, I haven't heard an LSU friend of my generation just throw dirt. On the contrary, most do seem to appreciate his core qualities.
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:26 am to cardboardboxer
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Bobby Bowden
A pussy and a cheater.
See? I was right.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:27 am to GIbson05
Crap thanks for the reminder. Gotta pick up some TP on my way home from work today!
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:29 am to pvilleguru
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It says it here, and it isn't even a very pro-Bryant article.
Actually that link proves my point- that Bear tried to play the revisionist at the end of his career/life to ensure that his legacy wouldn't be tainted in the modern era.
From your link:
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In 1980, just three years prior to his premature death at the age of 69, Bryant told Time magazine that he had wanted to become "the Branch Rickey of football,” referring to the man who integrated Major League Baseball by signing Jackie Robinson to the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947.
Bryant claimed that around that same time, when he coached at the University of Kentucky, his attempts at signing black players faced stiff resistance from college administrators.
“They told me no,” Bryant said. “So for years, I used to recommend all these great black players to schools up North."
In 1980 he said all that shite, aka right around when historians started turning people like George Wallace into monsters.
Give me a quote where he had the balls to make that kind of comment in the early 1970s and I will happily admit I am wrong about the Bear.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:31 am to cardboardboxer
roll tide, rant ... let that jealously flow!
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:31 am to cardboardboxer
Is it that hard to believe he was told "no" back when Rupp was coaching at Kentucky?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:32 am to Jacknola
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No one is taking Coach Bryant too seriously except as a role model, which he was.
A role model of what? How to be an a-hole and be a bully to people under you to get what you want?
I am sure some trial lawyer somewhere sees him as a great role model.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:33 am to pvilleguru
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Is it that hard to believe he was told "no" back when Rupp was coaching at Kentucky?
No, not at all. I am willing to believe. Heck I will do you one better and give you the benefit of the doubt. Bear was not a racist, you win. Post edited.
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