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re: Bama's QB Race
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:34 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:34 pm to Irons Puppet
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What is the difference from last year. I still do not see an elite pass rusher, and the secondary doesn't have any star returners from last year. Last year Ragland was good, but I do not understand why people think he will jump to elite. Everyone is basing it on the star ratings, until I see it on the field I do not see where the improvement will be from last year.
Tim Williams and R. Evans will both be elite pass rushers, were young last year. BTW, Bama finished like 4th in the SEC last year in sacks, so we were fairly good last year despite perception and will be better this year. Ragland was an ALL-American last year, he was and is elite...not sure what planet you've been living on but he is widely considered the best backer in the SEC this year. As far as the secondary, Cyrus is 1st team all-sec...he wasn't the problem last year. All the young 5-stars last year now know what they are doing, so whoever wins the other spot should be an upgrade. We now have two vets and former corners playing at safety which gives us a lot more range and athleticism on the back end to help us against spread and passing teams, and all reports from camp are that they have all looked much better than last years unit. We will see, but if only one SEC team was able to score more than 23 on our defense last year...what in the world makes you think 6 can this year against a much better unit?
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:50 pm to tider04
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e will see, but if only one SEC team was able to score more than 23 on our defense last year...what in the world makes you think 6 can this year against a much better unit?
Because you had an Offense that scored points, which caused opposing Offenses to take risk to match the scoring. Your assessment of improvement by the Defense is what most teams can say as "being a year older". What you are not using in your analysis is the fact that opposing Offenses will improve at an equal rate. A&Ms Offense will be improved, as will TN, UGA, LSU and Ole Miss, based on your assumptions used for Bama's improvement. AU will be a better passing team, and they threw for over 400 yards against them last year.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:05 pm to Irons Puppet
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Because you had an Offense that scored points, which caused opposing Offenses to take risk to match the scoring. Your assessment of improvement by the Defense is what most teams can say as "being a year older". What you are not using in your analysis is the fact that opposing Offenses will improve at an equal rate. A&Ms Offense will be improved, as will TN, UGA, LSU and Ole Miss, based on your assumptions used for Bama's improvement. AU will be a better passing team, and they threw for over 400 yards against them last year.
Our offense had some big days against weak defenses like auburn and tamu but struggled mightily against good defenses like Arkansas, Ole Miss and LSU. So your hypothesis that we had some unstoppable offense last year that greatly helped our defense is simply untrue. In fact, because we threw the ball more than usual, when we had quick possessions it put our defense back on the field quicker, putting more pressure on them than previous years. As far as other teams improving on offense, it will be true for some of them, and others will get worse. Ole Miss still has no running game, a mediocre OL and a QB that scares no one. They could easily be worse. Prescott lost a lot of talent around him, will the offense get better just because of him? Vols OL was gutted, they could be better or worse. UGA could again be very one demensional. AU may be better passing and worse rushing, no guarantee you score more points per game this year than last, in fact a decent chance you hold steady or even dip a little especially with any injuries.
The truth is Bama has more talent and depth than everyone else because our recruiting has been unparalleled the last 5-6 years. Couple that with all the veterans on defense returning and the young elite players coming into their own, and yeah I stand by my assessment that our defense will improve more than most team's offenses. And even if all stayed the same...like I said...a total of ONE SEC team managed more than 23 points on our D last year. Bottom line is we don't need our offense to score 40 a game like auburn does. With this defense 20-30 will be plenty in nearly all games. Can we do that with a game manager? That's the question right now isn't it?
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:16 pm to tider04
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Our offense had some big days against weak defenses like auburn and tamu but struggled mightily against good defenses like Arkansas, Ole Miss and LSU. So your hypothesis that we had some unstoppable offense last year that greatly helped our defense is simply untrue. In fact, because we threw the ball more than usual, when we had quick possessions it put our defense back on the field quicker, putting more pressure on them than previous years. As far as other teams improving on offense, it will be true for some of them, and others will get worse. Ole Miss still has no running game, a mediocre OL and a QB that scares no one. They could easily be worse. Prescott lost a lot of talent around him, will the offense get better just because of him? Vols OL was gutted, they could be better or worse. UGA could again be very one demensional. AU may be better passing and worse rushing, no guarantee you score more points per game this year than last, in fact a decent chance you hold steady or even dip a little especially with any injuries.
The truth is Bama has more talent and depth than everyone else because our recruiting has been unparalleled the last 5-6 years. Couple that with all the veterans on defense returning and the young elite players coming into their own, and yeah I stand by my assessment that our defense will improve more than most team's offenses. And even if all stayed the same...like I said...a total of ONE SEC team managed more than 23 points on our D last year. Bottom line is we don't need our offense to score 40 a game like auburn does. With this defense 20-30 will be plenty in nearly all games. Can we do that with a game manager? That's the question right now isn't it?
You say it every year mainly due to recruiting services evaluation, but Bama has not gone undefeated since 2009. If you have to depend on just a game manager, then there are Offenses in this league now that will make you pay. If you score less than 20 points on those 6 I mentioned, then the chances of losing are greatly increased. That wasn't the case in 2009, the league has changed that much. Without a good QB, Bama becomes as one dimensional as some of those teams you referenced. You are the typical Bama fan who thinks every other team remains stagnant, while Bama make great leaps in improvement
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:25 pm to Irons Puppet
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What is the difference from last year.
Experience and talent on the defensive front. You pull this shite every year, Irons Puppet, and you are consistently wrong. I know we can't win it all every year and odds are we won't be doing that this year, but I don't see more than 2-3 losses this season. It wouldn't surprise me if we finish 11-1 for the fifth season in a row.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:31 pm to Irons Puppet
All bullshite aside, as Bama fans, who do you want to see at QB?
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:32 pm to Bama3714
quote:Because, you sound like a moron.
Why?
quote:A lot of former, top ranked freshmen quarterbacks could say this.
He was the #1 prep QB, has all the physical tools
quote:See prior statement.
has blown away Kiffin with his ability to learn quickly
quote:That's awesome. Did you expect him to trash Blake Barnett if he had been bad while giving him coaching? Not saying he's bad by any means.
and has had a renowned QB guru say he's the best 18 year old QB he's ever seen (who worked with several of the current elite NFL QBs).
quote:OK.
The #1 overall pick is usually a QB
quote:It is absolutely outrageous to predict a true freshman player OF ANY POSITION to be the potential #1 overall NFL draft pick.
There's absolutely nothing outrageous about that statement at all.
quote:But...you just had so much faith in him!
Now, him starting as a true freshman and it being a good thing for this year's success is another story altogether.
quote:This can be said of a lot of players.
But by all accounts, his potential is otherworldly.
Look, could he be the #1 overall draft pick? Sure, anyone could. Will he? Probably not, but that's not a knock on his talent. I think he had the potential to be really good, just like a ton of other highly ranked quarterbacks that make the jump to college every year. You just need to slow down on the hype train.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:36 pm to JohnForney
quote:It certainly has the potential to be as good as the 2011 defense, but it also has the potential to be inconsistent like the 2010 defense. We don't know yet.
This will be Bama's best defense since 2011. Hopefully it's as good.
Either way, if both the Auburn offense and Alabama defense are injury free and suspension free by November 28th, it'll be fun to watch.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:37 pm to RollTide1987
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Experience and talent on the defensive front. You pull this shite every year, Irons Puppet, and you are consistently wrong. I know we can't win it all every year and odds are we won't be doing that this year, but I don't see more than 2-3 losses this season. It wouldn't surprise me if we finish 11-1 for the fifth season in a row.
What I said last year was that Bama's secondary was the problem and it had been for 4 seasons. Whenever they faced a better than average passer they were exposed. I also stated that they did not have an elite pass rusher, which killed their secondary. Same thing I am saying this year.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:53 pm to tider04
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So your hypothesis that we had some unstoppable offense last year that greatly helped our defense is simply untrue. In fact, because we threw the ball more than usual, when we had quick possessions it put our defense back on the field quicker, putting more pressure on them than previous years
more pressure but more reps for total sacks etc.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 7:55 pm to Irons Puppet
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You say it every year mainly due to recruiting services evaluation, but Bama has not gone undefeated since 2009. If you have to depend on just a game manager, then there are Offenses in this league now that will make you pay. If you score less than 20 points on those 6 I mentioned, then the chances of losing are greatly increased. That wasn't the case in 2009, the league has changed that much. Without a good QB, Bama becomes as one dimensional as some of those teams you referenced. You are the typical Bama fan who thinks every other team remains stagnant, while Bama make great leaps in improvement
I don't say this every year. I knew our defense had secondary issues heading into the last two seasons. I thought our defense would be good not great, and they were. I think they have the potential to be great this year. As to undefeated seasons....now that we have a 15 game season and playoffs, going undefeated is irrelevant as it is in the NFL. The name of the game is titles, whether it comes with a loss or two along the way or not. Bama has won 3 nattys in the past 5-6 seasons and won the SEC title last year, so don't pretend like we haven't been elite recently because we have been as much or more than anyone else including Gus and his bus. This should be the best Bama team since the 2012 natty team if we can just find AVERAGE play at QB. That remains to be seen.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:03 pm to Irons Puppet
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What I said last year was that Bama's secondary was the problem and it had been for 4 seasons. Whenever they faced a better than average passer they were exposed. I also stated that they did not have an elite pass rusher, which killed their secondary. Same thing I am saying this year.
Our secondary struggled for 4 seasons? You clearly only watch Bama when they play your team. Everyone knows our secondary sucked in 13-14, but they were fine winning back to back nattys in 11-12. That 2011 secondary was nasty.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:12 pm to tider04
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ur secondary struggled for 4 seasons? You clearly only watch Bama when they play your team. Everyone knows our secondary sucked in 13-14, but they were fine winning back to back nattys in 11-12. That 2011 secondary was nasty.
Who were the elite QBs they faced since 2010 ?
Cam, JFF, Murray (how did they play against them)
I can not think of the better than average QBs they have faced. Maybe Knight, Marshall, Mett or Garcia.
Their secondary has been propped up be the lack of great QB play in the league the last 5 years. When they played a great or better than average QB, they were exposed.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:16 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Coker's ridiculous hype was coming more from the media.
Now why does this sound familiar???
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:19 pm to JohnForney
quote:Your football IQ is off the charts
In Alabama's football philosophy, the game doesn't revolve around the QB, it's a team game. In Auburn's philosophy, it does. If he has a bad day, the team is likely to lose.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:19 pm to Irons Puppet
Put the crack pipe down. The 2011 defense dominated evryone and everyone on that defense played pro ball. The 2012 team had one bad quarter against Johnny football and did well against everyone else. Yes we held the best uga QB in their history to 21 offensive points while winning the title yet again. Drugs are bad, dude. Seek help. Our secondary has been good-elite before the past two seasons. And even then we gave up relatively few points per game.
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:32 pm to tider04
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Put the crack pipe down. The 2011 defense dominated evryone and everyone on that defense played pro ball. The 2012 team had one bad quarter against Johnny football and did well against everyone else. Yes we held the best uga QB in their history to 21 offensive points while winning the title yet again. Drugs are bad, dude. Seek help. Our secondary has been good-elite before the past two seasons. And even then we gave up relatively few points per game.
And two of those Pro's were Millner and Dre Kirkpatrick. We see how they have done in the Pro's, something that should have been predicted if the GMs would have put the crack pipe down. You fail to address that weakness that I am talking about. I never said anything about their DL or LBs.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:39 pm to Irons Puppet
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And two of those Pro's were Millner and Dre Kirkpatrick. We see how they have done in the Pro's, something that should have been predicted if the GMs would have put the crack pipe down. You fail to address that weakness that I am talking about. I never said anything about their DL or LBs.
You are a troll, an idiot, or both. You just listed two 1st rounders to try and prove our 2011 secondary sucked?
Firstly, nobody has EVER said a great college player has to be a great pro. In fact, most aren't. Secondly, Milliner has been hurt his whole career and Dre was probably one of the top CBs in the league towards the end of last season. Again... 
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:51 pm to tider04
What IP is saying is he didn't think Swag or Mill were any good and not only were the GMs wrong, but so were the coaches who voted them All Conference and All Americans and so were the media members who did the same. If only the rest of the world could have seen the secondary on those BCSChampionship teams for what they were Alabama wouldn't be overrated and have the officials, holding, SEC Headquarters, ESPN and other media, including Verne and Gary, side walkers, and every other person sucking their sack.
Why can't you see this, it's all because of the overrated secondary.
Why can't you see this, it's all because of the overrated secondary.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 8:52 pm to TTsTowel
Boy, you AU fans sure do work hard and twist yourselves into pretzels to try to convince yourselves.
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