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re: Bama's QB Race
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:21 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:21 pm to JuiceTerry
I'm glad Saban broke down and brought in a Secondary coach. About time. Haven't looked well coached back there the last couple of seasons.
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:25 pm to Irons Puppet
Since when has Bama every heavily relied on their QB play? Not one of their QBs ever get drafter high or start in the NFL but they have been good for 7 years straight. Let's be realistic. Now will they be good enough to beat Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss? We will see.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:33 pm to Marines4Auburn
I bet the freshman wins it.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:34 pm to Bama3714
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When George Whitfield says "he's the best 18 year old QB I've ever seen", it says a mouthful.
Since he coached Johnny Manziel at 19, I'll allow this... But it's just one man's opinion. Lots of different coaches work with the same people Whitfield has and have formed different conclusions.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:36 pm to LuzianaFootball
Saban's a one QB type coach. I wish he would give the backups more PT. Maybe this year.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:44 pm to tider04
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The truth of the matter is we have a good game manager on the roster in Morris. If none of the gunslingers like Coker, Corn or BB are ready...we can always revert to the 2008-2009 offense of ground and pound and play action with a smart QB who knows the offense and doesn't turn it over. Play field position and grind teams down. I think Saban is just trying to figure out if any of the gunslingers can be trusted, as it's obviously better to have a playmaker at the position if possible.
Who on the 2008-2009 schedule could light up a scoreboard? Things have changed in the SEC over that short period of time, look at Bama's schedule this year and decide if a game manager will be sufficiant.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:10 pm to Irons Puppet
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Who on the 2008-2009 schedule could light up a scoreboard? Things have changed in the SEC over that short period of time, look at Bama's schedule this year and decide if a game manager will be sufficiant.
Obviously we aren't going to hold teams to less than 10 points a game like we used to, the game has changed. I still think a great defense can keep teams to 20 or less with an exception or two per year. Looking at our schedule which offense really scares you? Arkansas and LSU are ground and pound teams as is Wisky. Ole miss has no running game and a new QB. UGA is one dimensional. Auburn is a big question mark. If our offense can score 21-24 points with our defense this year, that's 10 wins IMO. I agree 1-2 games we will need to score more than that but we can win most of them the old fashioned way and stay close in the others and have a chance down the stretch with a game manager. Not ideal, but can be done with elite talent and an NFL defense.
Ps-- as to your question, in 2008-2009 we played two of Urbans best teams ever, as well as a very explosive Texas team (yeah I know we hurt Colt). Also seem to remember Petrino having some elite offenses around then as well as top 10 teams. The game has evolved since then, but some of you act like it was the pre-integration wishbone era five years ago
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:18 pm to Irons Puppet
If Bama can move the chains with efficient QB play, they will be fine. They are too strong elsewhere . As far as having a qb who can "win" games when Bama is playing from behind late in a game, that's another question. Nobody knows that until you see it.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:20 pm to tider04
This will be Bama's best defense since 2011. Hopefully it's as good.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:31 pm to JohnForney
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This will be Bama's best defense since 2011. Hopefully it's as good.
Not sure 2011 will ever be touched. That was literally an NFL defense playing college teams. I do think this defense can be 2009 good though, which is damn good.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:58 pm to Bama3714
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George Whitfield says
Posted on 8/16/15 at 4:06 pm to ChexMix
In Alabama's football philosophy, the game doesn't revolve around the QB, it's a team game. In Auburn's philosophy, it does. If he has a bad day, the team is likely to lose.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 4:56 pm to Irons Puppet
It's gonna be fun with the rantards when Alabama starts holding up signs and blocking Kiffin with towels as he signals in the next play. Especially if we catch the other team with a personnel grouping to our offensive advantage.
Rantards will say things like, but..but injuries and fatigue. Saban fought against this type of football.
They'll all forget when he said is this the way we want football to go?
I'm sure he was comfortable with the way it was but he's a good enough coach to change things up rather than get left behind.
Even Coach Bryant changed when they ruled the Offensive linemen could use their hands.
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As for the original question, I worry every year about our QB situation. I've seen teams get better after losing the best QB they ever had. It's the ultimate proof football is a TEAM sport more than almost any other. Our schedule may be our biggest challenge. I like it. We'll either be a good strong team with luck to win the West and play for the SEC or we'll be exposed like last year. And last year was a very good year all things considered.
Rantards will say things like, but..but injuries and fatigue. Saban fought against this type of football.
They'll all forget when he said is this the way we want football to go?
I'm sure he was comfortable with the way it was but he's a good enough coach to change things up rather than get left behind.
Even Coach Bryant changed when they ruled the Offensive linemen could use their hands.
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As for the original question, I worry every year about our QB situation. I've seen teams get better after losing the best QB they ever had. It's the ultimate proof football is a TEAM sport more than almost any other. Our schedule may be our biggest challenge. I like it. We'll either be a good strong team with luck to win the West and play for the SEC or we'll be exposed like last year. And last year was a very good year all things considered.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 5:01 pm to observant1
christ
we haven't seen any of these QBs throw a football in a game yet but look at all the hot takes on the position for Alabama
just three more weeks kids then we can put all this shite to bed
we haven't seen any of these QBs throw a football in a game yet but look at all the hot takes on the position for Alabama
just three more weeks kids then we can put all this shite to bed
Posted on 8/16/15 at 5:03 pm to tider04
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Obviously we aren't going to hold teams to less than 10 points a game like we used to, the game has changed. I still think a great defense can keep teams to 20 or less with an exception or two per year. Looking at our schedule which offense really scares you? Arkansas and LSU are ground and pound teams as is Wisky. Ole miss has no running game and a new QB. UGA is one dimensional. Auburn is a big question mark. If our offense can score 21-24 points with our defense this year, that's 10 wins IMO. I agree 1-2 games we will need to score more than that but we can win most of them the old fashioned way and stay close in the others and have a chance down the stretch with a game manager. Not ideal, but can be done with elite talent and an NFL defense.
Ps-- as to your question, in 2008-2009 we played two of Urbans best teams ever, as well as a very explosive Texas team (yeah I know we hurt Colt). Also seem to remember Petrino having some elite offenses around then as well as top 10 teams. The game has evolved since then, but some of you act like it was the pre-integration wishbone era five years ago
Saban can match up with high scoring offense like Petrino's in 2009, but hasn't figured out the HUNH Offense (see AU-630 yards). He can match up physically with the LSUs, UGA's and Arkansas's, then out coach them.He had problems with Ole Miss last year, and they didn't have a RB. Tennessee's and A&M's Offenses will be much better and Miss St still has Dak. Saban/Smart still hasn't figured out Gus's Offense. This years schedule has at least 6 teams that can hang 30 on SEC talent, in 2009 they played 2.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 5:51 pm to Irons Puppet
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Saban can match up with high scoring offense like Petrino's in 2009, but hasn't figured out the HUNH Offense (see AU-630 yards). He can match up physically with the LSUs, UGA's and Arkansas's, then out coach them.He had problems with Ole Miss last year, and they didn't have a RB. Tennessee's and A&M's Offenses will be much better and Miss St still has Dak. Saban/Smart still hasn't figured out Gus's Offense. This years schedule has at least 6 teams that can hang 30 on SEC talent, in 2009 they played 2.
Meh, not really. We have had our struggles against elite HUNH offenses but what team hasn't? Defenses will catch up, just like they did with the wishbone, triple option, fun n gun, etc. Just takes time. People also forget the success we have had against some HUNH offenses. 59-0 against TAMU last year, 25-0 against Ole Miss the year before, etc. It has been mixed bag and will only get better as defenses adapt. Takes time to recruit differently and change schematically, but that is exactly what Saban and Smart are doing. Looking back at least year, our defense gave up 16.6 per game. We only gave up more than 23 once in 13 games heading into the playoffs. And that was the worst defense we have had in awhile. If you think there are 6 teams in the country, much less the SEC that can hang 30+ on this defense you are high. There might be 2-3 teams in the SEC with the potential to do that. And that's a stretch.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:09 pm to tider04
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Meh, not really. We have had our struggles against elite HUNH offenses but what team hasn't? Defenses will catch up, just like they did with the wishbone, triple option, fun n gun, etc. Just takes time. People also forget the success we have had against some HUNH offenses. 59-0 against TAMU last year, 25-0 against Ole Miss the year before, etc. It has been mixed bag and will only get better as defenses adapt. Takes time to recruit differently and change schematically, but that is exactly what Saban and Smart are doing. Looking back at least year, our defense gave up 16.6 per game. We only gave up more than 23 once in 13 games heading into the playoffs. And that was the worst defense we have had in awhile. If you think there are 6 teams in the country, much less the SEC that can hang 30+ on this defense you are high. There might be 2-3 teams in the SEC with the potential to do that. And that's a stretch.
AU, A&M, UGA, Ole Miss, TN and maybe Miss ST, are all capable of scoring 30 points on any team. If you do not have a QB who is capable of making plays, you get pressed on both sides of the ball. What happens to running teams that get down by two scores, the Offense has a direct effect on how the Defense has to play.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:17 pm to Robert Duval
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.Stewart, Foster and Ridley are downright stupid ridiculous.
In high school yes they were. Nothing has been done in college to validate this.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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AU, A&M, UGA, Ole Miss, TN and maybe Miss ST, are all capable of scoring 30 points on any team. If you do not have a QB who is capable of making plays, you get pressed on both sides of the ball. What happens to running teams that get down by two scores, the Offense has a direct effect on how the Defense has to play.
Not a chance. This Bama defense is going to be elite from all reports coming out of camp. Front 7 is best in the nation, hands down. And now our secondary is actually starting to play well. Ole Miss and MSU don't have the talent to score 30+ on this defense, heck they couldn't even do it against weaker units the past two years with equal or better offensive units. UGA is a lot like us in that they do not have an elite passer ready to play in 2015. They will ground and pound which plays right into our strengths. They will be lucky to crack 20 against us (expect a 17-14 type game). Tamu? Did you see the game last year? Our defense is better this year, will not score 30+. Vols OL won't be able to handle our front 7 enough to score that much. AU is the only team in the SEC who realistically can put those numbers on us (side note, AU was the only SEC team last year to crack 23 on a much worse defense) and that remains to be seen. So like I said, nope. And I'll gladly make a friendly wager on any of those teams not scoring 30+ on this defense.
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:25 pm to tider04
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his Bama defense is going to be elite from all reports coming out of camp. Front 7 is best in the nation, hands down.
What is the difference from last year. I still do not see an elite pass rusher, and the secondary doesn't have any star returners from last year. Last year Ragland was good, but I do not understand why people think he will jump to elite. Everyone is basing it on the star ratings, until I see it on the field I do not see where the improvement will be from last year.
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