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Welfare. Discussion starts here, let's see where it takes us.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:52 am
On the rant there was a post of another map with different stereotypes for each state. One of them got me to thinking about Welfare, so I decided to do a little digging to see what I could find.
Also, here is another one and some of this stuff blew my mind.
Let's see where the discussion takes us...
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11 States That Have More People On Welfare Than Working
California
New Mexico
Mississippi
Alabama
South Carolina
Kentucky
Illinois
Ohio
New York
Maine
Also, here is another one and some of this stuff blew my mind.
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Welfare Statistics
Total number of Americans on welfare 12,800,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare 4.1 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131.9 billion
Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %
Welfare Statistics
Total Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than an $8 per hour job 39
Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than a $12 per hour job 6
Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher 8
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From the U.S. Census Bureau, reported by Investor’s Business Daily:
At the end of 2011, the last year for which data are available, some 108.6 million people received one or more means-tested government benefit programs — bureaucratese for welfare. Meanwhile, there were just 101.7 million people with full-time jobs, the Census data show, including both the private and government sectors. The New Normal: Welfare is Now America’s Most Popular Occupation
Let's see where the discussion takes us...
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 9:57 am
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:05 am to DynastyDawg
What's to discuss?
It is what it is, and it's not changing anytime soon. The people that we have chosen as our leaders are corrupt to the core.
It is what it is, and it's not changing anytime soon. The people that we have chosen as our leaders are corrupt to the core.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:08 am to DynastyDawg
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11 States That Have More People On Welfare Than Working
That is such a misleading title. A good many people on welfare do work, they just work crappy jobs that don't pay well.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:08 am to ugasickem
Some of those amounts are way too high. I believe in welfare as a sum of money to help you get on your feet, but not to pay more than minimum wage.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:09 am to ugasickem
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It is what it is, and it's not changing anytime soon.
This I agree with, unfortunately.
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The people that we have chosen as our leaders are corrupt to the core.
While I agree, I'm not sure where you're going here...
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:10 am to DynastyDawg
No way this thread ends well.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:11 am to DynastyDawg
There is a broad swath of counties from the Mississippi delta almost to the South Carolina coast (former plantation country) where poverty is epidemic. Almost the entire population of some of these counties receives welfare.
It cuts right across the heart of Georgia, as well, but I assume that the Atlanta suburbs pull the state above the 50/50 point.
It cuts right across the heart of Georgia, as well, but I assume that the Atlanta suburbs pull the state above the 50/50 point.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:13 am to The Spleen
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That is such a misleading title. A good many people on welfare do work, they just work crappy jobs that don't pay well.
I don't think that's what that particular article was talking about.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:14 am to DynastyDawg
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While I agree, I'm not sure where you're going here...
I'll venture a guess that he's suggesting that politicians are pandering to the Free shite Army and trading ever-increasing welfare benefits for their votes.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:15 am to mrnegative
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Some of those amounts are way too high. I believe in welfare as a sum of money to help you get on your feet, but not to pay more than minimum wage.
Which is why there should be a limit for how long you can receive such benefits, outside of extenuating circumstances of course.
I.E. Disabilities and such
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:16 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No way this thread ends well.
I didn't really want it to. Discussion where everyone agrees is no fun at all.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:17 am to Tantal
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I'll venture a guess that he's suggesting that politicians are pandering to the Free shite Army and trading ever-increasing welfare benefits for their votes.
Oh yeah, I didn't think about it that way but there is no doubt that is happening. Hell, one of Obama's first campaign points was that he was going to pay for cell phones and electricity bills.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:18 am to DynastyDawg
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I don't think that's what that particular article was talking about.
Have a link to the article then? The title seems to imply that in those states listed, there are more people not working and receiving welfare benefits than there are people working.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:19 am to DynastyDawg
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I.E. Disabilities and such
There is a separate benefit system for that.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:21 am to DynastyDawg
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Average time on AFCD
2 to 5 years 26.9%
Over 5 years 19.6%
Almost half are on welfare more than 2 years.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:23 am to Evolved Simian
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There is a separate benefit system for that.
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means-tested government benefit programs — bureaucratese for welfare.
I thought welfare was a pretty general term, but I understand that you mean there is a specific system for such things, which is where I would say time limits could be excluded.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:24 am to DynastyDawg
mandatory drug testing for all welfare participents should be the norm.
/Rant.
/Rant.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:24 am to DynastyDawg
I believe in social safety nets. I don't agree with welfare's current form. I don't agree with food stamps being a blank debit card you can use however you choose. I don't agree with welfare making people comfortable. I think the epidemic of overspending doesn't need to start with addressing welfare, but I think it should get there eventually. There are much bigger problems than the overspending relating to welfare. I essentially disagree with the arguments presented by both sides.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:25 am to The Spleen
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That is such a misleading title. A good many people on welfare do work, they just work crappy jobs that don't pay well.
Very true. And I'm not sure if it's mentioned in those stats, but there are lots of single moms who are working full time at decent paying jobs that are receiving government assistance of some kind. I met 3 government employees in Florence today who have kids on Medicaid.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:26 am to DynastyDawg
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Hell, one of Obama's first campaign points was that he was going to pay for cell phones and electricity bills
What? You don't seriously believe this, do you?
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