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re: Welfare. Discussion starts here, let's see where it takes us.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 5:29 pm to Crimson G
Posted on 3/19/14 at 5:29 pm to Crimson G
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Do you have a source for this image?
Yeah, read the fricking thread jackass.
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Also, the numbers you cite from statisticbrain.com are at best misleading
Yeah, we've been through this, thanks captain of the obvious. Again, read the fricking thread.
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Wikipedia's numbers which have shown a dramatic decline in those receiving supplemental income since 1996 when welfare reform occurred.
That shows the "amount of people working among welfare recipients," not a "decline in those receiving supplemental income."
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The site you reference decided to classify a welfare recipient as not only someone taking advantage of the TANF program, but anyone receiving:
health care through Medicaid, food stamps, special payments for pregnant women and young mothers and federal and state housing benefits.
Welfare as a general term isn't restricted to "Temporary Assistance for Needy Families" you fricking idiot. Way to narrow that down to a really small portion to fit your narrative.
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If you're going to make a post like this, do some due diligence and check your statistics so that you don't mislead people.
GFY. How about you read everything before blowing some more shite out of your arse.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 5:43 pm to DynastyDawg
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Welfare as a general term isn't restricted to "Temporary Assistance for Needy Families" you fricking idiot.
Yes I acknowledged this in my response. I'm not sure if you didn't comprehend this or if you just chose to ignore it and selectively quote me. I notice you didn't address how your working definition is so broad that it includes those who were able to refinance through HARP.
Seems like you're just mad that you're getting called out on your bullshite misleading statistics.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:27 pm to DynastyDawg
1. Outlaw homelessness.
2. Provide houses -even if they are below the normally accustomed level of living for an American-. If that means no television, fridge, AC Unit or telephone, that's what happens.
3. Mandatory community service unless physical or mental inhibitors exist. Start them off at minimum wage and have them pay back what they can by hours logged in -- it'll help for interviews later concerning experience and give them something to do. If they manage to make more money than the state is paying them -- let them use it freely.
4. Have a maximum number of children covered. It sucks, but at some point I think we need to logically look at people having children on welfare and restrict it.
5. Birth control for those inside of my reeducation cam-- I mean rehabilitation centers.
2. Provide houses -even if they are below the normally accustomed level of living for an American-. If that means no television, fridge, AC Unit or telephone, that's what happens.
3. Mandatory community service unless physical or mental inhibitors exist. Start them off at minimum wage and have them pay back what they can by hours logged in -- it'll help for interviews later concerning experience and give them something to do. If they manage to make more money than the state is paying them -- let them use it freely.
4. Have a maximum number of children covered. It sucks, but at some point I think we need to logically look at people having children on welfare and restrict it.
5. Birth control for those inside of my reeducation cam-- I mean rehabilitation centers.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:28 pm to Crimson G
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I notice you didn't address how your working definition is so broad that it includes those who were able to refinance through HARP.
That's because the shite you added in parenthesis was just your commentary on the definition.
Also, you asked me for links to back up my shite that had already been linked and elaborated on in quite a lengthy discussion, yet failed to provide links of your own for your added "commentary." So again, GFY.
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Seems like you're just mad that you're getting called out on your bullshite misleading statistics.
I used an article that was linked somewhere else to spark a discussion on welfare, which I did quite successfully, so
saying that I'm "mad about getting called out my bullshite misleading statistics" is hilarious.
I'm annoyed because some fricking idiot came in here way after the discussion was over to "call me out" and to tell me to "do my due diligence" when you can't read the whole thread and provide your argument devoid of holes throughout your theory.
So again,
asshat.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:35 pm to DynastyDawg
While we're on the subject of welfare, do you think Condi Rice has ever used a strap-on?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
Drug testing welfare recipients is stupid. It costs money, will not save money.
Welfare in general is a trap. People complain about certain social problems and all can be traced back to two things. The war on poverty and the war on drugs. Both are bad for the nation.
Our welfare system sucks. Unfortunately we have a sizable portion of our population that doesn't see welfare as a supplement and will live off of it if they can.
Also, the system penalizes those who try to "work" their way up the ladder. Unless your income doubles, it's worthless to work more and have benefits cut. The system is built to keep people in poverty.
Welfare in general is a trap. People complain about certain social problems and all can be traced back to two things. The war on poverty and the war on drugs. Both are bad for the nation.
Our welfare system sucks. Unfortunately we have a sizable portion of our population that doesn't see welfare as a supplement and will live off of it if they can.
Also, the system penalizes those who try to "work" their way up the ladder. Unless your income doubles, it's worthless to work more and have benefits cut. The system is built to keep people in poverty.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:08 pm to DynastyDawg
Sorry my not reading 6 pages worth of arguing over welfare rustled your jimmies. Perhaps you you should try becoming the kind of person that doesn't get riled up from being told his sources are bad. You really shouldn't allow your mood to be affected so strongly by an Internet post.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:14 pm to Crimson G
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I haven't used a credit card in 7 years, because I don't want to be in debt. I don't borrow money. I'm sure people use credit cards as a way to build credit, but I'll ask you this, If you have the money, why would you need credit?
Only type of credit I see as acceptable is a mortgage and a low limit CC for online purchases because I am paranoid about using debit card online. With good reason.
My amex card number was stolen last year after I purchased a case for my nexus. Needless to say Amex blocked the charges with a quickness as they were coming out of the Dominican Republic and issued me a new card. Had I used my debit card I'd probably still be fighting to get the money back..
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:52 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:they'll just toss those with positive screens in state run outpatient programs on taxpayer dime while still giving out the welfare.
mandatory drug testing for all welfare participents should be the norm.
Think, McFly.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:54 pm to DynastyDawg
I just want to congratulate the Rant on not bringing up the fact that although the black population constitutes only 12.6% of the population they constitute the largest percentage of welfare recipients and using that as a racial trigger.
At the same time, I want to condemn the fact that although blacks only constitute 12.5 percent of the national population they constitute 39.8% of welfare payouts and that is not brought up due to everyone that noticed that not saying that due to the adversion to being perceived as being perceived as racist.
Ignoring the problem doesn't help the situation.
That's it.
At the same time, I want to condemn the fact that although blacks only constitute 12.5 percent of the national population they constitute 39.8% of welfare payouts and that is not brought up due to everyone that noticed that not saying that due to the adversion to being perceived as being perceived as racist.
Ignoring the problem doesn't help the situation.
That's it.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:17 pm to Mizzeaux
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although the black population constitutes only 12.6% of the population they constitute the largest percentage of welfare recipients and using that as a racial trigger.
Where is obama when you need him?
:thanksobamagif:
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:19 pm to Mizzeaux
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Ignoring the problem doesn't help the situation.
My ancestors fricked them up with slavery. It's my fault, really. That's what I learned in college at least.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:26 pm to PrivatePublic
Yeah, I didn't get the wealth of knowledge that allowed me to experience white guilt, so I'm a bit ignorant on this issue.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:19 pm to Mizzeaux
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Ignoring the problem doesn't help the situation.
Frickin Yankee racist.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 8:36 am to Tantal
Quite an astute observation, social programs along with the push for amnesty is securing voting blocks for the DIMS. 
Posted on 3/21/14 at 8:49 am to Mizzeaux
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At the same time, I want to condemn the fact that although blacks only constitute 12.5 percent of the national population they constitute 39.8% of welfare payouts
And whites make up 38.8%, so roughly the same number of whites and blacks are on welfare.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 8:52 am to Mizz-SEC
Your post is dead on, I would add that the destruction of the US industrial/manufacturing sector of the economy was due to the complicit relationship between corporations and the federal government via lobbyists, nothing that has an international component such as out sourcing happens with out the feds approval. These Mother Frickers that we call Congress need to have term limits and strict laws that prohibit anyone who has held an elected position in the federal government from ever becoming lobbyists. :usa: :usa:
:usa: :usa:Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:57 am to Duke
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quote: I directly lost a great job because of this, and that is why I bitch.. That sucks. I believe in free trade and all that, but I'm not happy anyone lost a job over it. It's created more opportunities however. Trade with Canada and Mexico has grown from 340billion to 1.2trillion since NAFTA was introduced until 2011. It's not like the jobs were going to stay here with or without NAFTA. The 90s was also the dawn of the internet. Technology made it much easier for business to take advantage of the cheap labor elsewhere. Yes some were directly lost to Mexico, but it was eventually going to happen anyway. Free Trade agreements allow us to better take advantage of the growth of the rest of the world. People bemoan the decay of the middle class, yet don't seem to want it to reach the rest of the globe. The growing global middle class is the ticket to demand we need, IMHO. Trying to keep it all here is missing the boat. We can't do it alone anymore
Yeah but here's the problem and let's use Russia and the EU as an example about what happens when become so intertwined economically , when the Soviet Union fell every nation that had any economy that was global wanted in on the action to transform Russia to a pro western economic partner, now we have Russia attempting to reform its empire but because the EU is so dependent on Russia for energy the West does not have any immediate hope of detouring the Russians with economic sanctions. Russia will take Ukraine next and would not be surprised to see them expand their empire beyond Ukraine, so what does this have to do with the US and our trade agreements? well we have put ourselves in situations that would have been unthinkable 30-40 yrs ago. Let's start with military superiority, I have seen several news stories concerning how we are dependent on foreign countries for the manufacturing of military hardware and components this could make the US vulnerable, not exactly what you want if you're a super power, I'm afraid that we have been to open with the world in regards to our advanced technology and science. I guess there was a believe that if we share these things the world would be a more safe and prosperous place. The US seems to be losing its sense of nationality, the world is not one homogenized/communist society where it's all for one and one for all and Russia is telling the US you really think we forgot about that cold war thingy and China is just grinning. So now the US because of our trade agreements with Russia, China and other countries that are not really pro west has handcuffed the US when it comes to using economic sanctions, at this point it may hurt the US more!
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:59 am to The Spleen
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And whites make up 38.8%, so roughly the same number of whites and blacks are on welfare.
There are about 6 times the number of white folks in this country. The war on poverty and the war on drugs haven't done black folks any favors.
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