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re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 3:18 pm
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Incredibly well done. I'd be for it 100%. Awesome job.
Glad to hear it! :cheers:
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However... You may want to look at it if the expansion was more west than east... I could see TCU, Houston or TCU Baylor... Give Vandy a couple of Private schools and make one of them their permanent year end battle...
Yeah, I considered that, and I think that TCU would be an awesome addition (along with maybe WVU, Baylor, or even Texas). But based on how the last expansion went, I think that opening up TV markets is going to be consideration 1, 2, and 3 in the expansion. And Texas is already covered by TAMU and WVU is small. So I think North Carolina and Virginia (both huge TV markets) are really where the expansion will realistically be.
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re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 1:22 pm
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have an upvote for taking the time to really think on this and try to come up with a fair and equitable solution.
Thanks! :cheers:
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LSU's three permanent opponents are Tier 1 according to your presentation.
Seems legit.
Yeah, I did that to avoid anyone claiming that I was just trying to make LSU's schedule easier. The SEC Rant seems to have an obsession with LSU and schedules.
I think I'm gonna change around Bama for Ole Miss like some people have mentioned though. So then it will be 2 tier 1 teams and a tier 4 team.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 12:41 pm
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Please, no permanent opponents from other pods. THAT'S where the unfairness is in this system. Otherwise, I like it a lot.
I'd be fine with dropping those and playing everyone every 2 years, but there's just no way to preserve rivalries without them. Look at what has already happened to cross-division games in the name of preserving those rivalries. Bama, Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia have made it clear that they won't support any plans that don't preserve the Bama-Tenn and Aub-GA annual games.
I have a feeling that there are other rivalries that would have similar issues if they were on the chopping block (Fla/Ga, to name one).
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 11:51 am
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This is how I would determine the SEC Championship game:
The years that the SEC East plays the SEC West, the team with best overall record in those 2 divisions goes to ATL.
The years that the SEC North plays the SEC South, the team with the best overall record in those 2 divisions goes to ATL.
Then the next year the same thing:
SEC East plays SEC North, best record goes to ATL.
SEC West plays SEC South, best record goes to ATL.
And so on so forth.
Hmm I really like this idea. I'm going to eventually revise the presentation to include a championship system, and I was between (1) semi-final "playoff" system, and (2) 2 best total records. But this would be a good way of preserving basically the same system we have now for champion (because all teams in those two pods would play each other, like a temporary division), while getting the schedule benefits of the pod.
I'm definitely adding this idea to consideration. At the least, it might be a good temporary solution that would be slightly less crazy than going to a semi-final championship system.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 11:49 am
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The fact that Tennessee's 1998 championship makes them a more valuable win than a win over Ole Miss as a tier 4 team makes this absurd. It doesn't matter what your team did 20 years ago. Has no bearing on how good your team is today. Perhaps you should just rank the coaching and recruiting classes and tier them that way...still stupid but makes more sense than these tiers.
The point of the tiers and on basing them on the whole BSC era was to avoid overweighting recent performance. Instead, I wanted to get a big-picture view of how teams have done over the past 20-ish years. That's short enough that we're not counting really old records, but long enough to work through a couple of cycles of teams getting good and bad again.
So yeah, it's not perfect. Ole Miss is probably a little low, and Tennessee is probably a little high. But at least it's a relatively objective way to measure strength over the past couple of decades. Because just ranking the teams subjectively would be much less accurate, in my opinion.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 11:38 am
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These games need to happen every year because they are what is fun about college football
- Alabama vs Auburn
- Alabama vs Tennessee
- Georgia vs Florida
- Georgia vs Auburn
- LSU vs Ole Miss
- Mississippi State vs Ole Miss
- Tennessee vs Florida
This is really helpful. I had a tough time ranking rivalries in the East especially. I'm going to make some revisions based upon the feedback from this thread (eventually, not today at work), and I'll definitely take these into account.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 11:36 am
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The permanent opponents from other pods should be based off of historical rivalries, but with all teams permanent opponents tiered. LSU having to play Tenn, Bama, and UF every year is ridiculous. Especially when Arkansas is playing Vandy, Ole Miss, and South Carolina. Should be equal across the board, just like the individual pods are. Why have the pods based on equality but the cross-pod permanent opponents be power teams vs power teams and weak teams vs weak teams. Makes no sense...
You're definitely right that LSU drew a really tough straw on opponents. Honestly, a big part of it was that I didn't want people to be claiming that as an LSU fan, I was going easy on them.
Also, I am a fan of the NFL model where scheduling considers the strength of the teams. I think that taking strength of teams into account when making the rivalries isn't particularly FAIR, but would lead to better games as there would be more competitive games and fewer blowouts.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 11:09 am
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Semifinal playoff like the CFB playoff.
Rotate East vs North, West vs South and it can rotate to North vs South etc.
Yeah, I really like the idea of a semi-final playoff for the conference championship. Although I think that instead of rotating the pods for the semi-finals, they should be seeded by record. Then they play just like the regular playoff now.
This would work especially well if the other conferences also reformed into 3 other 16-team super-conferences.
Then we could have a national playoff system that included the champion of each conference (via the conference champion) and a few at-large bids for the best teams that didn't win their conferences. Would really preserve the value of winning the conference, which should be kept important in CFB.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:48 am
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16 team conferences are fricking retarded. Would be better to just split back into 8 team conferences.
You seem angry.
16 team conferences are the future.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:44 am
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I like your work. Overall its not a bad plan. While protecting rivalries is VERY important, the problem with this is that its creating major imbalance with SOS.
For example. Compare your example schedules for Ole Miss & LSU. Both would play Bama, Tennessee, Arkansas, and South Carolina in the same season.
However, LSU would play Florida, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, Missouri, and NC State.
Ole Miss would play Auburn, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, & Kentucky.
Any schedule that includes MSU, UK, AND Vandy while other teams skip all 3 is a travesty.
It does create imbalances, but I think that it's not always a bad thing. Kind of like the NFL scheduling that takes the previous year's record into account when scheduling out of division games, I tried to take performance into account in making the rivalries.
So yeah, not 100% fair, but IMO it's worth it if it make the games more competitive. It will lead to fewer blowouts and better games.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:26 am
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Just in terms of making the most sense regionally
Northern Pod
- Arkansas
- Missouri
- Kentucky
- Vanderbilt
Eastern Pod
- NC State
- Virginia Tech
- Tennessee
- South Carolina
Coastal Pod
- Florida
- Georgia
- Auburn
- Alabama
Western Pod
- LSU
- Ole Miss
- MSU
- Texas A&M
However, some of those pods would be terrible and some would be stupid good. But all those schools are close enough and culturally pretty close for the most part.
I agree that yours would be way better geographically and culturally, but the strengths would be way off. That's why I tried to tier the schools and create an "objective" way to balance the strengths. But I'm with you that if strength isn't a concern, those are better pods.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:24 am
I agree that it would be an unbalanced pod this year, but I tried to take a long-term view when creating them. Just because it would be stacked this year doesn't mean that historically they wouldn't have been pretty even. And trying to always keep them even is impossible -- look at SEC East vs. SEC West and how the balance has changed in the past 10 years.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:23 am
This just ends up with each pod being all over the place geographically. I tried to create cohesion in the pods by making them as contiguous as possible and trying not to split them up.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:20 am
Yeah I think 5 would be too many. Do 4 conferences with 16 teams, with semi-finals for their playoffs. Expand playoffs and give conference champions an auto-bid and a bye to start the playoffs. That would be a damn good system that didn't dilute the importance of winning one's conference while also allowed for some conferences to be stronger and get in additional teams.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:16 am
1. Money
2. Money
3. In historic south
4. Money
5. Relatively similar culture
6. Money
7-10. Money
2. Money
3. In historic south
4. Money
5. Relatively similar culture
6. Money
7-10. Money
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:15 am
Good idea. I could switch it to be LSU-Ole Miss, Bama-TAMU, and Arky-State. Arky-State should be able to find some hate for each other.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:13 am
I'm a girl. Although I think my boyfriend got tired of constant questions about which rivalries I thought were most historic...
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:12 am
OK, seems to be a consensus on this. I'll switch that around and add a conference championship format to my next revision of the proposal.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:09 am
Yes, they would, since Ole Miss and Bama are in the same pod. Honestly, I really considered switching the Bama and Ole Miss annual opponents so Ole Miss played LSU and Bama played Arkansas, but since I'm an LSU fan I didn't want it to be biased. I'd certainly be willing to revisit the annual opponents though if people thought that there are better ways of handling it.
re: SEC Realignment Proposal
Posted by Azul on 11/13/15 at 10:06 am
But that defeats the entire purpose of adding NC State and VTech - which is to use each school to open a large TV market and increase revenue. Might as well just add Florida State and Clemson at that point.
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