FloridaSaintsFan

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Literally none of that will ever happen

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Famous last words for a lot of things. I'm sure you never thought "Red River Shootout" would be banned either. I bet Ole Miss fans in the 1970s or 1980s never thought the Confederate Flag would be banned in Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium either. I'm sure New Yorkers in 2001 or 2002 never thought a Muslim would ever become Mayor of NYC. Everyone always says "none of that will ever happen", until it happens.

Far far more improbably things have happened than anything I mentioned.

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What do you mean by this?

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You're declining kids who probably have lived in Texas for generations. Kids who probably watched Texas football with their dad or even grandfather growing up. You're replacing them with kids who could care less about Texas football or the importance of Texas football within the state.

You're replacing Texas kids with kids who, while technically citizens of Texas, have no real connection to the state. These are kids who will use Texas as a means to an end. These kids won't step foot on the UTx campus the minute they graduate. They won't support Texas athletics and they won't donate money to the university. They simply won't love the university like many long term Texans would.

As for what will change:

Get ready for "The Eyes of Texas" to be completed banned, since it's an "offensive" song to several groups.

Get ready for Cowboy hats and Cowboy boots to be replaced by kurtas and tunics.

Get ready for Beavo to be banned because it's "animal cruelty".

Smokey the Cannon will probably be on the chopping block later on. They'll say it's "too aggressive". Barbecue and other traditional Texas foods will be replaced by ethnic foods at tailgates, especially Indian foods.

Austin, TX is going to become another Berkeley and UTx will become another Cal, obsessed with social justice. All the California transplants are going to change and destroy what Texas is.

Not to make this political, but you'll see that in November when Texas, with the helps of many of these Indians, as well as some Hispanics and many California transplants, elect a Democrat Governor. She'll change Texas as well.

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Disagree 100%. I do not like the Top 10% law for a number of reasons. But to say it is biased is nonsense. It is the epitome of UNbiased. The rules are the rules. There is no special treatment for anyone.

What you are asking for is the definition of entitlement mentality. Reserving a portion of spots for white people, because they're white. To achive some sort of visual balance based on nothing but skin color is the very definite DEI thinking, just in the direction you personally prefer it. Equality of outcome, regardless of performance.

You are what you claim to despise.

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Disagree 100% back at you. It's biased because they know certain populations want well rounded individuals, where other populations, due to their culture, will physically and emotionally beat their kids if they don't get 100% on every test. And they know what populations are which.

Forget the race part for a second. Having well rounded students should be SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPORTANT than having students who simply know how ace a test, but otherwise have no other useful skills.

I also 100% disagree with the performance part. Again forget race. To me a student who graduates top 50 in their class, has a 32 ACT, volunteers in their community and participates in multiple after school activities and/or sports is FAR MORE impressive than a student who graduates top 5 in their class, has a perfect 36 ACT, and has nothing else going for them because they were only focused on tests and academics. To me in this scenario the kid with multiple sports, after school activities and possible leadership roles in those activities has out performed the kid who just focused on academics.

But it's also about maintaining your culture. You can still have great academics without absolutely destroying your culture.

Schools like Texas need to remember that their goal is to educate the young adults of Texas. That is their primary goal.

And since you keep evading my question, I'll ask it again. Why should we have to have different standards than other countries? Let's say 20 million white Americans moved to Japan and their parents pushed them even harder the Japanese parents. Maybe even to the point where 20-30% of the top students were white. Do you think for a second Japanese universities would allow 20-30% of their students to be white? Don't think for a second they wouldn't have guaranteed safeguards for Japanese students. You and I know, if that situation had occurred, at most those universities allow maybe 5 - 10% of their students to be white.

Same thing with countries like China, India, etc. They will flat out protect their ethnic populations. So why are those countries allowed to protect their people but countries like the U.S. and countries in Europe are not? So please answer that question.

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We’ve beaten Florida the last 5 straight years. I view them as a second Georgia tech now.

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You better hope your team doesn't have that mentality. That mentality gets you beat.

But yeah, keep thinking that when Florida was beating Georgia until 4 minutes to go in the game last year. And that was with an interim head coach and a Billy Napier team.

Like I said, I think Georgia wins, but it's not a blowout. It'll be a 7 - 14 point game most likely.

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There’s a difference between raising academic standards and losing touch with the everyday Texas kid who grew up dreaming of being a Longhorn. Longhorns brag about their top 4% auto admit policy, but they’ve narrowed themselves down to a whole campus full of kids who didn’t even take extracurriculars in high school.

UT has already lost a great deal of the Texas-centered culture and identity that made it what it traditionally was. Schools like Texas A&M, Georgia, and Michigan prove you can have strong academics without sacrificing your personality, traditions, or football. UT is changing more and more with each new incoming class.

No shade. Just truth.

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100% agree. Schools like Georgia, Michigan, Texas A&M, Florida, North Carolina show you can have both. You can have schools with high academic standards that also place a high importance on athletic excellence.

You can have high academic standards while still maintaining your culture and traditions. Those are not mutually exclusive things.

But the way Texas is going, they are throwing away their traditions and culture. Another reason why I think they're destined to become another Cal.

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The horror.

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You do realize there's more to life than academics right? That college is about more than just the classroom.

Yeah schools like Cal and NYU have done a great job at cranking out mindless social justice warriors that end up at Starbucks.

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You clearly are unfamiliar with the Top 10% law in TX, though UT-Austin has a waiver to limit this to Top 6% at this point, unless its been ratcheted down further than that.

UT by law cannot reject any applicant in the top 6% of their class. A&M cannot reject any applicant in the top 10%. The universities have no choice in that. Nothing else matters.

I do agree 100% about well rounded-ness. Could I push my kid to active that level of academic success? Sure. Do I? Absolutely not. It's more important to me to have my kid be a well rounded human with a bright future and a fulfilling life. I have accepted the reality that the cost of that is that her odds of going to UT or A&M are near zero. I'm actively saving for out of state / private school tuition costs, and I'm good with that.

But whining about the demographics not being exactly correlated is whiny loser bitch boy mentality. We all chart our paths in this life. We enjoy the successes we strive for, and we accept the absence of those we dont. Thats real life. Earn it or STFU. At the moment high academic achievement in TX high school is earned at a higher rate by East and South Asians. So be it.

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You're right, I'm not familiar with the top 10% law in Texas. That definitely provides better insight, and makes me think less about education in Texas. That they would rather have kids who have no skills except for acing tests instead of well rounded students. It's a terrible rule.

You are doing the right thing, allowing your kid to be well-rounded. Like you said, she'll have a brighter future and a better life than those kids who spend their entire childhoods having to get 100% on tests and who learn no other useful skills. I've seen and had to manage some of these Indian people myself in my Company. Indian kids who were the "brightest" in their high school class. Almost every time, their lack of ability in terms of even basic communication skills, reading the room and anticipating issues is just incredible. All book smart, no street smarts.

And I think it's really sad that you have to choose that for your daughter. To essentially make the decision of pushing academic success, cutting out all other activities and probably making her miserable just to get her into UT or A&M. Or like you decided, let her be well rounded and have to send her to another public / private college in Texas or out of state.

I will disagree with you on the whining. You are right, we chart our paths in life. But it doesn't mean we don't get the right to call things out when they clearly aren't fair and are biased.

I would say Texans should be fighting that top 10% law. The law should be that state universities have (within a certain margin of error, of course) a student body that is very close to the high school population. So if 30% of high school seniors in Texas are white for example, then 30% of that incoming freshman class that next year should be white.

There has to be some protection of the culture. Think about it this way, let's say 20 million white Americans moved to Japan and their parents pushed them even harder the Japanese parents. Maybe even to the point where 20-30% of the top students were white. Do you think for a second Japanese universities would allow 20-30% of their students to be white? Don't think for a second they wouldn't have guaranteed safeguards for Japanese students. You and I know, if that situation had occurred, at most those universities allow maybe 5 - 10% of their students to be white.

Same thing with countries like China, India, etc. They will flat out protect their ethnic populations.

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Lol. No. Cultural differences with regard to childhood education are very real.

As someone very familiar with high schools in TX with a huge percentage of high achieving East and South Asian kids. South and East Asian families push their kids HARD from a very young age to get every possible point on every single test/quiz/assignment possible. Often at the expense of extracurricular activities, sports, social lives with friends, etc.

Those kids go after the top grades on everything all the time, and go hard for the top spots in the class ranking. As a result it is not surprising they are over-represented in the top percentages of their class, which in Texas, directly correlates with admission to UT, and to a somewhat lesser extent A&M (for now).

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Yeah because that mentality has created so many well rounded individuals. Yes let's reward the same mentality that has caused Japan to have the highest burnout and su*cide rate in the world.

I thought universities considered more than just pure class rankings and GPA's? I thought universities wanted students who were well rounded and particiapated in extra-curricular activities? Not students who are all book smart and have no street smarts. Not students who can ace a test, but can barely hold a conversation with another person.

And you don't think there are plenty of white families that push their kids hard? I know for a fact there are plenty of white families who literally don't accept anything less than top 5 in their class. My youngest nice graduated second in her class and my family was thrilled. We actually felt bad for the Valedictorian. She finished first because her family made it clear anything less than Valedictorian was not acceptable. Not surprising, she seemed more relieved than happy.

I still fully reject your premise though. And if we go by DEI standards, then 30% of students at Texas universities, regardless of GPA's and class standings, should be white.

Again, if the situation was reversed, someone like you would be screaming bloody murder.

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Years before the select/non select split

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Can you elaborate on this? Genuinely curious on what changed. Not familiar at all with this "select/non-select" split. If it means less competition, that makes sense based off of what I saw of Arch Manning in high school. Very little talent on the opposing teams.