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This is false. Only Two people arrested were suspected associates of Tren de Aragua
Ooooh. Way to keep it factual.

What is your point in trying to correct this? The point of the story is that even Hawaii is seeing illegal immigration. Continental US is saturated. Are you tryting to diminish that for some reason? You want illegals to continue to get govt assistance that taxpayers don't get? Explain your position to us
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presupposes there are other gods they could be listening to
Again, that is eisegesis and ahistorical. You can keep repeating it, but it's a juvenile misunderstanding of a simple concept. It's doesn't mean that they thought the "gods" were real in the same noumenal sense as YHWH, except for when they characterized them as demonic and not to be worshipped. You are wrong on this just like everything else

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not to do their will
List the verses

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it’s not a translation difference. The source texts are different
Prove that the authors of the ESV ("all gods") and the NASB ("you nations") are quoting "different source texts" of Deuteronomy 32:43 as opposed to the more parsimonious explanation that they are merely referring to the same thing - pagan "false" gods and people of other nations which also matches meaning found elsewhere in scripture. You're actually trying to assert that conservative evangelical textual scholars are quoting a DSS manuscript for the express purpose of describing polytheism while all of the other textual scholars are quoting the MT in order to preserve monotheism.

You are off your freaking rocker. Where are you getting this crap, the loons at skeptics annotated bible?

And BTW, the "older" extant text is not always the accurate one. The Essenes were considered deviant and eccentric. That's why it's not helpful to quote a strictly Essene characterization for Judaic theological purposes without acknowledging they were outside the mainstream. That's likely why the MT clarifies the phrase so there's no confusion. Well, at least among rational people, not you apparently. And it doesn't matter anyway because:

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the Dead Sea scrolls and from the Septuagint talk about the gods in the skies
Now you're getting into variants which I'm almost 100% positive you don't understand. This is out of your academic depth.

?????? ???????? is NOT "gods in the sky." As I have already corrected you on this, it means sons of God which is equivocal to sons of Israel. Two references to the same people.

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The Masoretic Text, which is much younger has been edited to remove some of the polytheism
No and I just explained this so you can stop saying this stupidity. The Samaritan Penteteuch also agrees with the MT so that is even more corroboration

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They relocated / exiled parts of the populations of every people group they conquered
Not specifically in the Levant and you're once again being disingenuous. There was a short Assyrian campaign into Tyre and Byblos starting in 745 and then there was another tiny excursion into Sidon in 671. Guess what happened between that? 30 years of exiling the Israelites. Babylon was essentially the same with 3 waves of deportations happening over 3 decades.

So the question remains - if the Jews were just another small Canaanite tribe that looked essentially like all the other tribes, why did the mighty Assyrian and Babylonian empires focus so heavily on the Jews for such a long time with multiple deportations through both empires? How were the Jews so distinct for that to happen? It makes no sense and is ahistorical. The Assyrians pretty much only cared about Tyre and the Babylonians pretty much only cared about breaking Egyptian influence. Since those were the military objectives, why focus so much on the insignificant, little ole Jews who ostensibly had no influence in the area?

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You’re presupposing those prophetic works are all ancient and historical
There we go! "Wah. If I don't like what it says, it was made up and fake."

So you're basically saying the strict monotheism of the prophets which predates any of the alleged polytheism and is completely historical is LESS believable than your fantastical speculations which matches basically nothing from history?

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They were a spec of sand on the beach in terms of their religious behavior
:lol: Kings had them as close advisors. They carried massive, huge theological, practical, social and even military weight. You have this 180 degrees wrong.

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Everyone else around them were worshipping all the gods of heaven
Not everyone

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They worshipped all the gods of the Canaanite pantheon. That is an archaeological fact
What you're not telling the court is that not everyone did this and it didn't happen all the time. I have pointed this out to you already but you keep repeating already refuted assertions

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That never happened
You said "no scholars" and I gave you a list of scholars. I proved you wrong

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Do you see any irony or hypocrisy there?
No. I proved you wrong. Did you even bother to study their works so you could learn how you are wrong or did you just continue to be ignorant? Clearly the latter. Does it bother you that you are ignorant of competing scholarship that refutes your stupid ideas?

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I don’t even believe those “prophets” were real historical people
Because you are a delusional person. That is called cognitive disonance. You are emotionally ignoring something that falsifies your worldview. It's the mark of an intellectual loser and a mental midget.

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that polytheism came first, and still exists in the Bible is a fact
This farce has been torn to shreds itt.
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The first ecumenical Christian council of Nicaea
What the...some of the prophets had been preaching conservative, traditional Judaism a thousand years before that.

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Propaganda, coercion, and threats of economic and legal ruin were used to get folks in line about the aspect of Jesus
:lol: 1 Cor 15:3-5 blows this nonsense right out of the water. NT Christology was established going all the way back to the empty tomb itself

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was he divine or was he a man. 325CE
This is Dan Brown level stuff. Seriously, did you get this from the DaVinci Code? :lol: Brown watered down FC Baur's nonsense.

Here are some resources to clear up that infection you have

Lutzer's DaVinci Deception

Another good one from Bock

Even noted conman Ehrman doesn't agree with Brown

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If you choose to reject all those facts
I refuted your assertions with facts.

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I gave you direct examples of this practice
You absolutely did not. You misinterpreted some verses and I corrected you.

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some of it was edited and redacted by scribes
Even Ehrman agrees that there's basically only 1 verse in the entire NT that might have it's meaning changed by a variant. Your "edited and redacted" claim is not based on actual textual scholarship. It's based on popular level tripe and sheisters trying to sell books to rubes like you

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My best explanation as to why there’s so much polytheism in the Bible is that they just didn’t get it all
What's crazy is that you don't see how your own admission pulls the rug right out from under the insane assertion. How in the world could they have been SO bad at it despite having HUNDREDS of years to accomplish it. This is strictly coming from your emotional committment to your need for Christianity to be false. It has ZERO basis in actual history, facts and textual scholarship

You still have not answered the question of HOW the revisionists were able to brainwash an entire culture of their most foundational religious beliefs. You haven't given ANY specifics whatsoever and I have outlined the basic impossibilty of that happening. No reasonable, unbiased person could buy that laughable idea

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the books were basically locked and widely distributed prior to them going “monotheism”
So polytheism was "locked" into the books yet somehow, an entire ethnic population just ignored them for centuries and went in the complete opposite spiritual direction.

Step back and look at how insane that is. It's absurd and comical

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there’s literally no monotheism in the Bible
Except for the hundreds of citations I mentioned just in the Psalms alone

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Over hundreds of years of people skinning goats and turning them into parchment, the worn out scrolls had to be re-written
But wait, you claimed the polytheism was "locked in" to the texts. Would you make up your mind. You can't be serious with this

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Opportunities presented to make changes when copying texts
Except that didn't happen and we know this from extant manuscripts. There are entire books written on the subject of theological consistency in the manuscripts and every variant is known in the extant texts. Here are a couple of resources for you to get started on an actual, real education

The Origin of the Bible

textual history

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it’s true and you haven’t
You are still wrong.
1. Pagan gods are powerless idols: The Old Testament prophets frequently mocked and condemned idol worship by pointing out the utter futility and powerlessness of the physical gods carved from wood or stone. (Jeremiah 10:3-5; Psalm 115:4-7; Isaiah 44:9-10)
2. Pagan gods characterized as demonic powers: In contrast to the material idol being nothing, the Bible strongly suggests that the actual worship and sacrifices made to pagan deities are directed toward real, malevolent spiritual entities—demons or fallen angels. These beings have some degree of spiritual influence, deception, and power in the world, but they are not true gods. (Deuteronomy 32:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:19-20; 2 Thessalonians 2:9). Your stupid Ephesians 6:12 reference is about "powers of this dark world" and against the forces of evil.
3. The verses you cited were misunderstood and full of eisegesis
4. You haven't explained how the perpetrators were able to brainwash an entire culture despite their neighbors being likeminded spiritually
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Paul was a Gnostic
Laughably false

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Paul didn’t even believe Jesus came to earth, and that his death and resurrection occurred in the heavens, and that only those who possessed the heavenly secrets of Jesus’ sacrifice would be saved. One of those secrets was that Yahweh (Greek “Kyrios”) had taken a body of flesh and been killed by the gods of the firmament and then exalted and earned the name “Jesus”
This is the most incredible example of building a castle in the air that I have ever encountered

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If it weren’t for him, we probably wouldn’t have any of Paul’s epistles today
You have got to be the most delusional person ever. 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 is considered the earliest Christian creed meaning, Paul received it prior to anything he had written. If 1 Thessalonians was written around 49–51 CE and he had already received the creed which was already in circulation by prior believers, that testimony about Jesus' EARTHLY crucifixion must have been in practice merely a few years after Jesus' death. There's almost no gap between Jesus' death and the circulation of Paul's works stating that Jesus was crucified and there were witnesses.

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the Gnostics believed the god the Jews worshipped was evil, and so they did not worship the Jewish god
SOME Gnostics believed that along with numerous other crazy things

It is absolutely astonishing how truly mixed up and utterly wrong you are on these matters. It's impressive how one person could accumulate such a monumental and stupendous amount of ahistorical beliefs
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Yahweh is jealous of the other sons of El
Still false. All throughout scripture, false gods are called just that. They were never "real" on an equal plane with YHWH. They might have been real in a phenomenal sense but NEVER in a noumenal sense.

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The Hebrew word for “jealous” in exodus 20 means a resentment due to a divided loyalty in an interpersonal relationshi
Which harmonizes exactly with my explanation of hamartia

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You think exodus 20:3 says “you shall have no (fake) gods before me”?
Absolutely and I explained precisely why.

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it literally means in Hebrew “you shall not have other gods beside my face.”
Sigh. Yes, I explained this. You even mentioned divided loyalty. The concept all throughout scripture is in regards to people giving their loyalty to something worldly as opposed to YHWH who is not worldly

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The context is that the Israelites had images or sculptures representing Yahweh in their temples
Not always and the prophets prove that. The prophets did not always have to preach and they did not always have to preach to everyone. They were "called up" when needed.

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The basis for which is that they believed the other gods were very powerful and very real
You can keep saying this but it continues to be false in a thoroughgoing sense. It will never be true because it is ahistorical

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Yahweh wanted all the Israelites’ devotion instead of sharing it with the other deities
YHWH wants devotion from EVERYTHING worldly. Have you ever heard of the 7 deadly sins?
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So they are mentioned. Glad we agree on that
Not in the form of them thinking false gods were real or to worship the false gods

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they didn’t believe the golden bull was a god. It was an idol that represented their patron deity, Yahweh
The text isn't 100% clear on that but it doesn't matter. The point I was making was in reference to worshipping something worldly as opposed to YHWH, which is also the point of the passage. With Moses gone, they wanted something tangible and visceral and copied Apis from Egypt. So again, in response to your Psalms references, don't worship false gods. They are not real like YHWH is real.

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Nope
So you're denying reality. Ok. What happened when Moses returned? What were the prophets preaching against?

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This is a constant complaint and lament of the major and minor prophets which you have never read
Idol worship, yes. Thoroughgoing polytheism, no. It makes no sense. The prophets were Judaic. Why would they be preaching conservative traditional Judaism if polytheism had been the religion all along? It makes no sense. And this is all supposedly hundreds of years before the "switch" to monotheism. You've never explained the timeline.

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I’m not going to respond to every minor retarded thing you allege
The cry of a loser. When questioned to substantiate your retarded views, you can't.
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Selectively quoted
Ah, so when it doesn't match your narrative, oh let's throw that part out.

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he had become consumed by right wing conspiracy theories
IF he actually was the author of those blogs. And even so, none of that has anything to do with his jacked up relationship with Pelosi's husband. But you knew that already didn't you?

Besides, even if you're right, which you aren't, you're still losing like 100million to 1
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This guy?
helping incite riots :lol:

Do you know what "helping" and "riots" mean? Of course you don't. You can't have a one man "riot."

And did that one person burn down an entire section of the city. No.
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Your nonsensical, insult filled, text walls have refuted nothing
I quoted the article genius

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they have confirmed you are an easy target for conspiracy theories
IT WAS YOUR CITATION HALFWIT
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Bama Mountain
Stop being a wus. Has a healthcare professional diagnosed you as being mentally ill like other liberals/progressives?

Why are so many Democrats and progressives mentally ill?
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You didn't read the link did you?
Yes. It was as stupid as your other "citations"

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he is a Conservative, Christian, Republican who hated the gays and targeted Democrats
:lol: Now just come up with about a million more of those examples and you might have a point. Who are the thousands of people out protesting, harrassing and obstructing ICE everyday? Who are those people? Are they "Conservative, Christian, Republican who hated the gays and targeted Democrats"

It's a yes or no question

What about the people who burned Minneapolis? What about the CHOP/CHAZ people?

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Everything is always a Conspiracy
Real people know it's happened in real life.

Are you mentally ill like other liberals and the people who are harrassing ICE? Do you wear a costume while you're out there? Do you wave a Ukraine flag? Are you a furry? Say that. I'll buy that. It will explain your stupid posts
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The fact that the "Pelosi Guy" was obsessed with right wing conspiracy theories is well documented
I've already refuted this lie

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“The takeaway I got is that she wants to turn our schools into pedophile molestation factories
This is NOT "right wing" you buffoon

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He voted in Republican primaries
:lol:

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The claim that he was close to Tim Waltz is a lie
Who is saying "close"?

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He is an outspoken evangelical Christian
Even if this is correct, which is debatable, THAT'S ONE. Even if you're right, which you aren't, the left has about a million more of these examples, mentally ill people who either threaten violence against people who don't bow down to the LGBT mercenaries or actually commit violence against them

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If the MAGA media machine
There is no such thing. That's made up in your head

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what else are they lying to you about?
Says someone who posts information from FREAKING ANNENBERG

Are you mentally ill like other leftists?
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This lie has been repeatedly debunked
I just addressed this. Prove the roommate is correct

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The lie about Pelosi's attacker being a leftist has also been debunked by the attacker himself
I already addressed this one too

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I was asked for examples of the GOP electing "someone who openly advocates murdering leftists and their offspring"
Whoa. MENACING TWEETS. I posted a list of real mass shootings

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You asked for examples "random Righties that are harming people
Same as previous point

Why do you keep posting already refuted bullcrap

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I have posted plenty of facts
You've posted a bunch of nonsense stupidity

And you haven't addressed the mental illness question I asked you. Have you been diagnosed with mentall illness by a health care professional like the rest of the liberals?
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He is one of your guys
That stupid citation just reiterated that "the roommate said" blah blah blah

Do you have any brains?

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who had a long of Democratic target
:lol: Yeah that wasn't planted.

How about you check out the list I posted. You won't dare touch that topic
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just think of how many of you he’s educated and made better for it!
It is an undeniable fact that when I challenge SFP to substantiate the typical farcical SFP assertions, SFP runs away. It has happened on numerous topics

Chicken can't punish SFP because it would open the site up to a lawsuit for discriminating against a special needs person. It's better to just let SFP post insane garbage than to bring down the whole site
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You mean like the Trump supporter who shot multiple Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota?
Vance Boelter's roommate says Boelter “voted for Trump” and is "a strong supporter.”

Oh so now we're going with "the roommate said" as hard hitting journalism

Are you the most gullible person on the planet? And I noticed you haven't acknowledge the list I posted. Why is that?

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the GOP Candidate who shot at multiple Democratic lawmakers?
Your stupid link doesn't work. Like your stupid brain
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The facts are clear and well documented
In your necrotic brain. David DePape was not convicted of any charges directly related to being a "right-wing conspiracy theorist."

"VICE News identified" :lol: Well why didn't that make a difference in the trial?

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The guy who attacked Pelosi was inspired by inspired by right wing conspiracy theories
Instead, Ms Linker said he was driven by right-wing conspiracies that blame the country's demise on corrupt elites who use their status to spread lies, including facilitating the sexual abuse of children.

...is NOT a "right wing" conspiracy.

VICE News found two online blogs

Yeah because things like that have NEVER been hacked

features a wide range of topics, including “pedogate, “great reset,” “voter fraud,” “da jewbs,” and “Covid.” Many of the tags referred to women, including one directly about Amber Heard—the target of many misogynistic attacks stemming from her lawsuit with Johnny Depp.

Recent headlines on “Frenly Frens” include “It’s OK to be White,” “Faking of Adolf Hitler for History,” and “Q.” The posts go on long diatribes against women, Jewish people, and Black people. One recent post referred to the Holocaust as a “hoax.” The writings also touch on popular far-right culture war topics, like “drag queen story hours,” “cultural marxism,” and child “grooming.”


Precisely ZERO of that proves anything, certainly nothing "right wing"

An SFgate article from 2013 about a Bay Area woman named Gypsy Taub, who was planning a naked wedding, identified “David Depape” as the best man and a “hemp jewelry maker.” The article also reported the two lived together.

In 2007, a blog under the name David Depape posted several articles on a crafting site about making hemp jewelry. One post links to The Loving God, a WordPress blog that remains active. Earlier posts contain religious and New Age themes.


Oh now THAT'S a right winger if I ever heard of one

You are a joke of a human being
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Bama Mountain
You have a George Floyd poster in your room at your parent's house, don't you
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Losing 78% of the time is "consistently won"?
He's infinitely less of a loser than you are

How many peace treaties did you preside over

BUT MUH KING HATES THE CONSTITUTION

you're a joke of a human being