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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 10:45 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:It's not historical fact and I've invited you to prove it. Every point you've made has been rebutted and all you can do is keep repeating yourself. You can't advance the conversation - because you're a gullible loser who is too emotionally committed to admit that you've been refuted
historic fact
quote:Your misunderstanding of the text and Jewish history does not constitute as "support"
supported by the Bible
Show the verses that you think support polytheism. Try different ones than the ones you've already tried that were body slammed
quote:I've beaten this point to death. You're just not in a place emotionally to admit it
worshipping an assortment of gods
quote:Who is arguing this? I've explained this to you multiple times.
evidence of the existence of the belief
quote:How many times are you going to repeat this? I asked you yet another question on this topic
Some Christians
quote:Yet another example of you not understanding what you're quoting.
Justin Martyr in his dialog with Trypho
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subject to the Maker of all things
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called an Angel
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above whom there is no other God
It's an angel. He's clear about that.
Did you know that Justin makes the case that Jesus is pre-existent and not created? How about that
It's like you don't even understand basic language
quote:I'm curious, where did Origen's comments lead? Do you know the history of this?
Origen - commentary on John
quote:Probably for the best. You need some time to go get educated on these topics.
I’m done with you
quote:I have responded to every point you've made. You are clearly incapable of advancing the discussion or rebutting. That's likely why you're quitting. You have nothing left.
If you can’t acknowledge what I’ve told you here
quote:I have thoroughly responded to this with many rebuttals
accept that I’m right on these two particular things (polytheism
quote:Heresies existed - GASP! It's almost like people sometimes disagree. All of those Christological heresies were given their day in court and they ALL lost. Every single one of them. None of them were able to make their case from the truth of scripture. None. They were saying things that every educated believer knew was false upon inspection. But you knew that, didn't you Dan Brown. The only people clinging to the Baur thesis are people making money from agitating Christians and the rubes who buy their drivel, like you apparently
early Christian fathers called Jesus a second god
At this point, you've got nothing left. Your sources are trying to rewrite history, in the process overturning several thousand years of continuous Jewish history and theology with speculations that are built on alleged mistakes that are so flimsy and obvious, no one could miss them yet, they have escaped the notice of all of the most brilliant people for millennia.
What's worse is it's clear this is emotional for you. Your responses are all over the place and even contradictory. You haven't answered questions. You just keep hurling the elephant and I've responded to every point you've made, that I am aware of. I've referred you to resources to clear up your misconceptions but you apparently haven't interacted with them at all and thus, you've learned nothing in the exchange. Any halfway intelligent person would be able to acknowledge they've got some learning to do on the topics.
It got so bad you finally just resorted to superficial alleged biblical contradictions, which is entry level skepticism. The lowest of the low employed by the least educated.
What would be more productive for you is to explore why you are emotionally diverging from established, time honored scholarship and limiting yourself to mostly popular level skepticism which is making you super biased. I've asked you this question before, why are you so threatened that Christianity might actually be true and reliable?
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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 2:27 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:OMG you're all over the place. You said there was no OT but you said there were scriptures. It's the same thing genius. You don't understand "canon" at all. You're probably going to cite Dan Brown again and say the "church made up the Bible" for some stupid purpose like the subjugation of women
there was no Old Testament. There wasn’t even a Jewish Bible yet. There was the Septuagint of course, but there was no authoritative collection of canonical scripture. There were scriptures
quote:You can't help yourself can you? I've already explained this reference to you. Why do you insist on repeating already refuted notions?
Jesus and Jude and Paul and the rest of them considered 1 Enoch to be scripture
quote:Well why didn't you say so? Foo and I are talking about the REAL person Jesus. Let's get on the same page
I’m talking about the fictional character of Jesus, who was a mythical fantasy.
quote:But not necessarily contradictory, right?
It’s unambiguous
quote:The scribes probably didn't account for how much intelligence would decrease to the point of retardation amongst biblical skeptics.
You would think the almighty storm deity would pick some more competent scribes
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 2:21 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:You think the people who wrote scripture didn't know they were communicating God's word? Wow. Do you know ANYTHING about how the Bible came into being? I'm sure I've cited resources for you on this subject
They weren’t writing a Bible
You sure seem to read people's minds alot.
quote:Correct. There aren't
there are no contradictions
quote:Name them. You know perfectly well I'm going to tear that to shreds like everything else you've presented
that god PHDs and made it their life’s work wrote books explaining and showing the evidence that it’s a re-write
quote:You can't be serious. First, Foo gave a perfectly viable interpretation. Second, you are the king of gullibly believing things that are probably written to make money off of rubes such as yourself
He loves making shite up
quote:I've been asking you for evidence for months. You bring nothing.
It isn’t in evidence
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 2:14 am to 3down10
quote:I'll ask the same question again, what does this have to do with the current threat of jihadi Muslims?
thou shalt surely kill him
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 2:12 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Yes, exactly. Eyewitnesses. In fact, thousands of them
Not exactly
quote::lol: A hallucination of a person who matches a real person experienced by countless other people. A shared hallucination. You're dredging the bottom of the barrel at this point. You need to quit. Next you'll be dusting off the 2 body or swoon
a hallucination
quote:Prove it
it’s a forgery
quote::lol:
all we have is Paul
quote:Name the people who thought the gospels weren't written by eyewitnesses
none of the four canonical gospels claim to be written by eyewitnesses
quote:Ok hypocrite
Your pastors might have pulled the wool over your eyes
quote:I asked you how contemporaneous Jews somehow didn't know their own scriptures were actually polytheistic. You have yet to answer this question. You instead recycled the idiotic idea that the "priests" somehow brainwashed everyone into thinking their culture had been monotheistic all along and 2000 years later, people somehow were able to detect that the passages were actually polytheistic, thus toppling several thousand years of Jewish theology and sociology. You were saying about being duped?
Lots of people have been duped
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 2:04 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Prove it
Chronicles was a fictive history written to replace their older fictive history
quote:So we provide you with a cross reference and then you say it's not a cross reference. Who is cherry picking? It's a DIRECT FREAKING REFERENCE genius
cherry pick the verse from another book
quote:Speaking of fiction
Chronicles was written by a Levite scribe in the late Persian period to overwrite the Samuel/Kings material from the early Persian Period
quote:Ah jeez. Not this documentary hypothesis crap again. Fine. Show me the Deuteronomist source texts. You can't. They don't exist.
Deuteronomist Reform
quote:Except what resulted post exile was the same as what existed pre-exile. Skeptical fiction doesn't change that.
they got to have some say in how the priests in Jerusalem ran their religion
quote:Prove it. Name this scribe. Show us the source texts
the Levite scribe, now having “THE Satan” in his arsenal, re-wrote
quote:Are you getting this elementary school crap from the skeptics annotated bible? There are historically multiple ways these 3 passages could be interpreted. But let's make sure to not recognize those and childishly act like this is just some incredibly obvious oversight that no one in the last 2000 years ever noticed
Mark says to take a staff and wear sandals, Matthew says not to take a staff and not wear sandals, and Luke says not to take a staff
If you were to take a step back and look at the monumental effort you put into misunderstanding Christianity on the internet in a juvenile attempt to dissuade people of it's truth, a 10,000 foot view, can you not see how emotionally committed you are? Your polemics have nothing to do with facts and history. It is pure emotional bias. Can you not admit that?
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:34 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:And history proves you decidedly wrong on this issue
I am however 100% convinced Christians were worshipping Jesus as a mythical character who died and resurrected in the heavens before any legends of a historical Jesus ever started
quote:Prove it. Name names
I’m positive though that Christians were worshipping a Jesus who was completely celestial
quote::rolleyes: Really. So you're a mind reader now? How interesting. And there are 3 other books that parallel his work also making real claims about Jesus that were corroborated by eyewitnesses for numerous decades after Jesus died and appeared again. Then there are a couple dozen other books that theologically expound on the real person of Jesus which were also corroborated by eyewitnesses.
We know Mark, which was the first or second gospel, was written as an allegory for deeper truths and wasn’t intended to be taken as literal historical events
quote::lol: Worn out 2nd quest for the historical Jesus tripe; Crossan, Mack, Borg. All failed commentators on the subject
So historical Jesus: maybe
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:24 am to 3down10
quote:It's relevant nerd. Do you even know why?
So what?
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:23 am to 3down10
quote:This has interestingly caused you to get confused about Islam and this topic. Muslims need no help from anyone in their desire to eliminate infidels. They hated infidels long before any US 3 letter agencies existed
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:21 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Do you know why?
Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24
quote:If you will check Exodus 30:12, you will see that a census, simpliciter, is permitted. Moreover, 1 Chronicles 21:1 has something to say about this matter.
how it was a sin
quote:Oh really? Tell us more about these people
innocent Israelites
quote:Did you even read the first verse of chapter 24?
Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded
Do you intentionally misrepresent the Bible? Or is it just a product of ignorance?
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:03 am to 3down10
quote:What in the world does this have to do with jihadists? Nothing.
You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 1:02 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:It is not a fact that the Jews were originally polytheist. That is an ahistorical opinion that has been refuted.
Nope, I just use facts
quote:Really. And when archaeology continues to support the Bible?
let the facts determine what is the truth
quote:Like all of the resources I've given you to correct your misconceptions? I notice you never deal with any of that. You just keep repeating your emotional security blankets
It’s not hard, but you have to be open-minded and be capable of rational thought.
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So some Christians denied Jesus was raised in the flesh
Who were ultimately exposed as not being Christians
quote:Which is of course true and not contradictory. But I totally get how you won't understand that
Christians like Paul in fact, who specifically said Jesus’ body was raised not in flesh but in spirit, as what is sown is perishable and what is raised is imperishable
quote:Some people say the earth is flat. Does that make them scientists?
some Christians who said...
quote:Christology has been thoroughly established in numerous ways throughout the early Church. Some people engaging in heresies does not diminish the truth at all. But you knew that, didn't you?
Some Christians claimed...
quote:You even quote a passage correcting people guilty of heresy but then try to use that passage as proof that the heresy was the actual belief but the correction was the errant view. Do you even know you're doing that? The passage you quote was written and corroborated by eyewitnesses
2 John 7
quote:Ok Dan Brown. What a joke. There's an entire discipline of biblical reliability that you're completely unaware of. You are recycling long refuted ideas and you apparently don't even know. Like laughable Jesus Seminar crap with the colored beads.
The “orthodox” Christians who “won”
quote:Other than:
Ignatius of Antioch never quoted any of the gospels we have today
In Smyrnaeans 1.1, he quotes Matthew 3:15 almost perfectly
He alludes to 1 Corinthians more than any other book, such as in Smyrnaeans 1.1
His theology of the "flesh" and "blood" of Jesus in the Eucharist (Smyrn 7.1) is deeply similar to the "Bread of Life" discourse in John 6.
quote:You don't even know the basics
because they hadn’t been written by the time he lived in the first part of the second century.
quote:And yet every part of it is derived from the Bible. But you knew that didn't you? The bishops had to prove every line from the Bible
Each one of those lines sought to establish uniformity in the Roman Christian church in the 4th century
quote:Prove it. Name names
There were some Christians who believed in two, three, or many gods
quote:Who were eventually exposed as heretics because, NEWSFLASH, those ideas are not in the Bible
Many Christians believed Jesus was a created being and distinct in essence
quote:And what happened to the followers of Marcion? Were they accepted as orthodox? If their ideas were so biblically grounded, surely they prevailed theologically, right?
Many Christians, perhaps the majority at one point in the second century (Marcionism), believed the evil Yahweh created the world and that Jesus came to rescue us from Yahweh
quote:Ok. I've beaten this horse to death
Some said...
It's astonishing how wrong a person could be about known history. You know some factoids but your conclusions and perception are insanely warped, I'm guessing because of your emotional commitment to Christianity being false. You're citing Dan freaking Brown at this point.
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 12:33 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:How many times do I have to prove the point? Do you want to take a stab at the questions I asked squirrelschiester?
are you ignoring somethingdifferent’s lies about polytheism among the Israelites?
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/31/25 at 12:31 am to FooManChoo
quote::thup: I hope all is well in your world
Just wanted to say 'thank you' for taking the time to respond to that conspiracy theorist and perpetual hater of Christ. The more who call him to task on his lies, the better
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 7:16 pm to 3down10
quote:I have said not one hypocritcal thing. I have merely pointed out the reality of Islamic jihadists
I'm pointing out your hypocrisy
quote:I am not ignorant about Islam. I have studied it. I have read the Quran and the Hadith. I have seen imams debate. I have seen the stories of countless people who are Muslim and who are former Muslim. I have also witnessed many, many atrocities Muslims have committed
ignorance
quote:Really? I raped and tortured people who weren't enemy combatants?
you are just as guilty of the sins you blame them for.
quote:This is NOT what happened. You are ignorant about the history of Islam and the Quran
You attack them, they attack back
quote:When did I lump them all together? Show me the quotes
you don't make that distinction
quote:Prove it. Show me the quotes. Moreover, you're still wrong. No one is trying to blame peaceful Muslims for the crimes of jihadists. Literally no one. You are boxing the air
It's the most relevant thing because you're trapped in it.
quote:What does this have to do with the Quran telling Muslims to kill infidels? What does this have to do with the Khawarijite vs Mutazalite debate? NOTHING
We've killed over 100,000....
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 7:09 pm to 3down10
quote:You can't possibly think that they targeted Jews because of Australia's involvement in "bombing campaigns."
Australia's military does take part in the attacks in the middle east with bombing campaigns
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MODERN POLITICS
Muslims hated infidels WAY before Australia was a country
My word you are freaking dense
quote:Oh really? Let's hear your take on this
this attack was obviously motivated by other factors
quote:Ok. Prove it
I'm pretty sure the point is to discourage that kind of behavior among them
quote:How is that relevant? Were those people killed because our founding documents said that they were religious apostates who must be eliminated from existence? No. Another stupid point
What do you say to the over 100,000 civilians the US has killed in the past 25 years?
quote:God instructs us to acknowledge and fight against immorality
The only thing I fear is breaking a commandment and to disappoint God
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 7:04 pm to 3down10
quote:I JUST posted testimony about a Muslim who told you that they are taught to hate infidels from birth, and it has literally nothing to do with any political dynamics. You are talking about modern politics which is way, way, way downstream of the underlying issue.
Hamas is funded by blah blah blah
quote:You may be right but it's irrelevant to the theological beliefs of the Islamic purists/conservatives
Israel allowed October 7th to happen to gain support
quote:I did and you totally missed the point
Since you want to bring some reality to this conversation
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 7:00 pm to 3down10
quote:It absolutely is. Those people exist and all you have to do is read about the recent Australia attacks to find out
It's not a brute fact
quote:"Collectivism" has nothing to do with this conversation. No one is arguing that we should judge all people by the actions of one/the few. No one is advocating for that. We are simply acknowledging the truth that Islamic purists/conservatives wage jihad against the infidels. It is an undeniable truth.
it's collectivism
quote:They aren't relevant to the conversation. They aren't attacking infidels.
I can show you plenty of Muslims who don't believe in the crap
quote:This is a strawman. I never suggested such a thing.
you will paint them with the actions of a few to justify your evil
quote:So we should denounce the jihadists? Good. I'm glad we agree
Shitty people exist in all religions and whatever
quote:You are correct
you surely don't hold all Christians responsible for the actions of a few
quote:Incorrect and that is again, a strawman. I never said such a thing
in this case, it's all you see
quote:I asked you a question which proves my point. You didn't answer
They do not.
quote:I have never done this
Once again you see them all the same instead of as individuals
quote:That's precisely what I've been trying to do all along. You are mischaracterizing my intent
pointing and holding the guilty accountable
quote:What I told you was a fact and had nothing to do with Muslims who are not jihadists
Once again painting them all based on the actions of a few
quote:I'm allowed to defend myself and my country against enemies. The jihadists have proven they will attack us no matter what we do. Why? Because we are infidels
you've allowed the worst of them to define your own standards
quote:The graphic you posted has nothing to do with the centuries old belief of the purists/jihadists
God taught me
re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 5:39 pm to 3down10
quote:So you admit we need to do something about the Islamic threat. Finally! Was that so hard?
Same can be said of members from any religion
quote:No one is talking about overgeneralization. We are talking about the real threat of people who want to kill us for ideological reasons. They are constantly scheming to kill us and when we don't catch them, they execute their plan to mass murder people. And they are not trying to kill us because we are putting political pressure on them. They hated infidels long, long before we were a country
Am I to judge all Christians based on these actions?
re: Poll worker had a reboot at 2am
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 5:15 pm to beaux duke
quote:Said whilst deftly sidestepping the question
rightwing media doesn't exist? boomers are glued to it 24/7
re: Poll worker had a reboot at 2am
Posted by somethingdifferent on 12/29/25 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Connecting the dots is essential to detectives, but you knew that already, didn't you?
Only to people engaging in dot-connecting
Just say you don't know why the connection is germane and save us all a lot of time and we can go back to treating you like a buffoon
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