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re: Molly trapping Freeman with the question
Posted by Here for the Heist on 1/10/25 at 1:14 am
That was a remarkably classy way to tell her to frick off with that nonsense.
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re: Good game Georgia
Posted by Here for the Heist on 1/2/25 at 11:02 pm
ND's record in big games the last 30 years hasn't been the prettiest fricking thing, I'm sorry to say, so that probably explains why people are surprised.
I wasn't too surprised by the outcome. I knew your RBs had been dealing with injuries all year, and your receivers have had issues with receiving. I was confident ND wouldn't shite themselves like they usually do in big games, and had some confidence they would win. I was a bit surprised that Kirby didn't play it more conservative. The decision to run a two-minute drill at the end of the first half was a mistake, and I also thought his decision to not kick a FG in the 4th Q was questionable.
I get the reasoning - it would’ve still been a two-possession game. But there were two or three possessions left if your defense held, and they’d been solid most of the night. Cross and Watts were both banged up on that drive and defense was toast. If he kicks the FG, gets a quick stop, it would have been a one possession game with plenty of time left.
I wasn't too surprised by the outcome. I knew your RBs had been dealing with injuries all year, and your receivers have had issues with receiving. I was confident ND wouldn't shite themselves like they usually do in big games, and had some confidence they would win. I was a bit surprised that Kirby didn't play it more conservative. The decision to run a two-minute drill at the end of the first half was a mistake, and I also thought his decision to not kick a FG in the 4th Q was questionable.
I get the reasoning - it would’ve still been a two-possession game. But there were two or three possessions left if your defense held, and they’d been solid most of the night. Cross and Watts were both banged up on that drive and defense was toast. If he kicks the FG, gets a quick stop, it would have been a one possession game with plenty of time left.
Good game Georgia
Posted by Here for the Heist on 1/2/25 at 10:06 pm
Your team is loaded with talent, but there were a couple of surprising lapses in judgment from the staff. Maybe that’s less surprising to you, but I haven’t seen Kirby make many mistakes over the past few years.
Your defense played well enough to win, but the offensive play-calling/game plan was shite. Georgia was pushing ND around early and looked like they could exploit ND's razor-thin Dline if they just kept pounding the ball. Instead, they abandoned it on crucial downs, putting Stockton in unnecessarily difficult spots.
To his credit, the kid still made some plays. He threw the ball much better than I expected, especially considering he didn’t get much help from his left tackle or the receivers.
Your defense played well enough to win, but the offensive play-calling/game plan was shite. Georgia was pushing ND around early and looked like they could exploit ND's razor-thin Dline if they just kept pounding the ball. Instead, they abandoned it on crucial downs, putting Stockton in unnecessarily difficult spots.
To his credit, the kid still made some plays. He threw the ball much better than I expected, especially considering he didn’t get much help from his left tackle or the receivers.
re: Let's assume LSU wins out
Posted by Here for the Heist on 11/20/22 at 9:20 pm
1.OSU or Michigan
2.TCU
3.LSU
4.GEORGIA
I don't see how the committee could keep the SEC champ out or Georgia, especially when you compare them to USC.
Just compare LSU resume to USC, assuming both win out.
Last night was USC's FIRST win against a ranked team. If they win out, they'll have three - a 3 loss UCLA team that doesn't play defense, a 4 loss Notre Dame that struggles with the forward pass and a 3 loss Oregon team that lost to Georgia by a million.
You'll have 3 too but two of those are legit top 10 teams and ole miss would be close if they didn't shite themselves last week.
I doubt USC will be in the mix in two weeks. USC is soft. If ND limits big plays, they'll control the LOS and run the shite out of the ball. If they don't get it done, Oregon should the following week.
If they lose pray Michigan doesn't beat OSU in a really close game. I could see the committee taking a one loss OSU.
2.TCU
3.LSU
4.GEORGIA
I don't see how the committee could keep the SEC champ out or Georgia, especially when you compare them to USC.
Just compare LSU resume to USC, assuming both win out.
Last night was USC's FIRST win against a ranked team. If they win out, they'll have three - a 3 loss UCLA team that doesn't play defense, a 4 loss Notre Dame that struggles with the forward pass and a 3 loss Oregon team that lost to Georgia by a million.
You'll have 3 too but two of those are legit top 10 teams and ole miss would be close if they didn't shite themselves last week.
I doubt USC will be in the mix in two weeks. USC is soft. If ND limits big plays, they'll control the LOS and run the shite out of the ball. If they don't get it done, Oregon should the following week.
If they lose pray Michigan doesn't beat OSU in a really close game. I could see the committee taking a one loss OSU.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 6:43 pm
Less than a year ago, TN lost to ND's little brother Purdue in a bowl game and now they're talking shite to ND fans on a LSU message board. Things are going well in rocky top. Only took two decades but they've made it.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 3:17 pm
Yup. Some believe it was excusing making and some believe they were needed. I think it's useless to even examine the question from a ND fan's persepctive. The question ND fans should ask themselves is if you were a coach with a decade or less left in your career and you want to win a title, do you stay at ND or take a shot at LSU?
The answer is painfully obvious.
The answer is painfully obvious.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 3:03 pm
Fair point.
My opinion on Denbrock is more based on the job he did at ND, not the job he is doing this year.
Having some level of consistency may be more important than trying to upgrade right now.
My opinion on Denbrock is more based on the job he did at ND, not the job he is doing this year.
Having some level of consistency may be more important than trying to upgrade right now.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:55 pm
You still pissed ND eliminated your baseball team?
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:54 pm
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You win champions at LSU on talent alone.
This is the interesting aspect of BK at LSU. You may be the only team in recent memory that has won titles in spite of your coaching. You were just that god damn good, especially O's team. I don't remember the team Miles won with all that well but I can't imagine his brilliance took you to the promise land.
Not a fan of Miles but I really loved O and it was just a spectacle watching him/LSU the year you won it. Could be the best team I've ever seen. That'll be an interesting trivia question years from now. Who coached the greatest college football team ever? Coach Ed Orgeron!
Kelly will sustain success but it's no given he will win a title. I think it's more likely than not based on your history but we'll see.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:42 pm
We are a shite show but we play to our competition, and I think Clemson may be in for a game. We have nothing to lose, it's at home, night game and it could be a cold November night.
The south is undisputed king of football when it comes to talent and fans but the cold is truly an x factor. I played college ball, was born/raised in cold weather and hated playing in the cold. Used to get my balls busted by everyone b/c I was always huddled up with the southerners trying to stay warm.
Clemson is better than ND but they are overrated and if it's 20 degrees at kickoff, they'll struggle with the environment/cold. Maybe it's enough to take out Dabo's boys.
The south is undisputed king of football when it comes to talent and fans but the cold is truly an x factor. I played college ball, was born/raised in cold weather and hated playing in the cold. Used to get my balls busted by everyone b/c I was always huddled up with the southerners trying to stay warm.
Clemson is better than ND but they are overrated and if it's 20 degrees at kickoff, they'll struggle with the environment/cold. Maybe it's enough to take out Dabo's boys.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:28 pm
I fully expect ND to become irrelevant in football in my lifetime, no different than the ivy league schools. You can't do this delicate balancing act that they've been doing for years. Somethings gotta give.
ND did the right thing not joining the ACC, IMO. They are not in a good spot right now and with USC/UCLA joining the BIG, it probably makes that a more desireable landing spot for them if they want to go that route.
If they join the BIG, I may take you up on the offer.
ND did the right thing not joining the ACC, IMO. They are not in a good spot right now and with USC/UCLA joining the BIG, it probably makes that a more desireable landing spot for them if they want to go that route.
If they join the BIG, I may take you up on the offer.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:24 pm
Appreciate the kind words.
If I recall correctly, Denbrock was demoted after 2016, which was a historically bad year at ND. AD gave Kelly a choice - overhaul the staff or leave. He made changes that ultimately worked out for ND. It wasn't entirely Denbrock's fault we were awful. The entire team was shite and he just caught the arse end of it b/c shite rolls downhill.
LSU can and should do better than Denbrock. It's not lost on Kelly. He was candid after the offensive performance against TN. Polian has to go. That's without question. I'm not sure Kelly pulls the trigger on replacing Denbrock if you can win 10 games this year. On the one hand, you can get a better coach. On the other, you're winning. To me, it's not a tough call. You have a program willing ot get the best available so go out there and get him.
If I recall correctly, Denbrock was demoted after 2016, which was a historically bad year at ND. AD gave Kelly a choice - overhaul the staff or leave. He made changes that ultimately worked out for ND. It wasn't entirely Denbrock's fault we were awful. The entire team was shite and he just caught the arse end of it b/c shite rolls downhill.
LSU can and should do better than Denbrock. It's not lost on Kelly. He was candid after the offensive performance against TN. Polian has to go. That's without question. I'm not sure Kelly pulls the trigger on replacing Denbrock if you can win 10 games this year. On the one hand, you can get a better coach. On the other, you're winning. To me, it's not a tough call. You have a program willing ot get the best available so go out there and get him.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:14 pm
You are right. And this time it cost me - wife is pregnant with the fourth, and I lost my mind after our third was born a few months ago.
Pray for me.
Pray for me.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 2:11 pm
Maybe, maybe not.
Rumors are rumors but I think we would have lost a half dozen starters or more - Foskey, Patterson and Jay Ademilola would have left for the draft, Styles, Colzie, Tyree, Pyne, Justin Ademilola, Griffith would have transferred and Joseph would have never transferred to ND if Freeman and Rees didn't stay.
And that would be fine by me if I had any confidence that ND would have made a home run hire. Not likely.
ND has deep pockets and kids are getting NIL deals but we don't seem interested in pushing the envelope like some other schools. Why go to ND and earn your NIL when you can go to USC and get paid before you set foot on campus.
You're either all in or you're not, and we are not. No way NIL would have kept the roster together for another coach.
That doesn't mean you're wrong overall, though. You don't let the insane run the asylum and that's what ND did here, even if Freeman was the sexy hire.
Rumors are rumors but I think we would have lost a half dozen starters or more - Foskey, Patterson and Jay Ademilola would have left for the draft, Styles, Colzie, Tyree, Pyne, Justin Ademilola, Griffith would have transferred and Joseph would have never transferred to ND if Freeman and Rees didn't stay.
And that would be fine by me if I had any confidence that ND would have made a home run hire. Not likely.
ND has deep pockets and kids are getting NIL deals but we don't seem interested in pushing the envelope like some other schools. Why go to ND and earn your NIL when you can go to USC and get paid before you set foot on campus.
You're either all in or you're not, and we are not. No way NIL would have kept the roster together for another coach.
That doesn't mean you're wrong overall, though. You don't let the insane run the asylum and that's what ND did here, even if Freeman was the sexy hire.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 1:54 pm
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Therein lies the rub, eh? Every D1 school that wants to be a contender should have D1-level QB's riding the bench behind the starter. Them having to play early is certainly not ideal, but the talent should be there even if the skill and experience is not.
This is my biggest issue with the staff right now. ND could have taken JT Daniels or Kedon Slovis and chose not to, presumably so they wouldn't hurt Buchner's feelings. ND fans can believe what they want but there's no doubt in my mind Kelly would have brought one of these guys in to compete and we'd be 6-1 right now. If it's true that they could have got one of these guys, and I believe it's true, it was a costly mistake.
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I come from a family of ND-haters - my dad is in his late 70's and raised us that ND were the biggest whiners in the world of football. But, I was ecstatic when LSU hired Kelly (my dad is warming up but not there yet) because he is one of only a few proven names in CFB coaching. Pulling him was a huge coup and, in my opinion, set the CFB world on its ear - because of what it implied - that ND was not as relevant as an SEC school.
ND is not as relevant as SEC powers. That is obvious. They're not irrelevant as the media likes to suggest but they are less relevant than bama, lsu, georgia, etc.
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Emotions aside, that is a monumental shift for CFB. Notre Dame paved the way for TV contracts and began the shift from CFB being a regional game into being a national game. ND may have been the first to have national and international fanbases who had no other connection to the school other than being a fan. It's something to really consider, then - with that history behind them, are they willing to do what it takes to get back near the front of the pack as a leader in the CFB world?
They would love to be leading the pack again but on their own terms and that's not going to happen. IMO, they are not willing to do what it takes to compete. Maybe that changes over time but as of right now, there's no evidence to suggest that changes will be made to compete. ND is not going to recruit at a level high enough to consistently compete for a title. The best we can hope for is top ten classes, a playoff spot every few years and the only way we win a title is landing a generational talent at QB. It is what it is.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 1:40 pm
Polian can recruit but struggles with coaching.
ND's special teams were always below average with Kelly. The disaster against FSU reminded me of the fake field goal Sparty ran against ND in kelly's first year at ND. I felt your pain.
Polian has been with Kelly a while but he doesn't even have to fire him. Just make him a recruiting coordinator and hire someone that can make a difference on special teams.
Kelly has to believe he's ahead of schedule with "rebuilding" right now. If Walker Howard is the guy, I believe you are closer than most people believe to being a legit title contender. It would be foolish for him not to review every weakness on the staff and make some tweaks this offseason. Replacing Polian is just too obvious not to consider - it's already cost you this year.
ND's special teams were always below average with Kelly. The disaster against FSU reminded me of the fake field goal Sparty ran against ND in kelly's first year at ND. I felt your pain.
Polian has been with Kelly a while but he doesn't even have to fire him. Just make him a recruiting coordinator and hire someone that can make a difference on special teams.
Kelly has to believe he's ahead of schedule with "rebuilding" right now. If Walker Howard is the guy, I believe you are closer than most people believe to being a legit title contender. It would be foolish for him not to review every weakness on the staff and make some tweaks this offseason. Replacing Polian is just too obvious not to consider - it's already cost you this year.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 1:22 pm
There was quite a bit of this going on. I'm sure some guys on the staff were not fond of BK. Newsflash - sometimes people don't get along with their boss.
That wasn't the case with Rees. He respected Kelly and stayed at ND for other reasons. He did a podcast with someone after their bowl game and was fairly open about what happened behind the scenes after Kelly took the LSU job. It was very obvious that he was surprised by the move but had nothing bad to say about Kelly, and the interviewer did his best to get Rees to throw kelly under the bus.
That wasn't the case with Rees. He respected Kelly and stayed at ND for other reasons. He did a podcast with someone after their bowl game and was fairly open about what happened behind the scenes after Kelly took the LSU job. It was very obvious that he was surprised by the move but had nothing bad to say about Kelly, and the interviewer did his best to get Rees to throw kelly under the bus.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 1:09 pm
I'm sure Twitter fans were celebrating but a large faction of the fan base on message boards wanted him gone before Kelly even left for LSU.
I really don't blame Rees entirely and still believe there's a chance he turns into a good OC/coach. Lost his QB and most experienced receiver and I'm not sure if there's a OC in America that can draw up a good game plan for a QB that should be playing DII ball.
I really don't blame Rees entirely and still believe there's a chance he turns into a good OC/coach. Lost his QB and most experienced receiver and I'm not sure if there's a OC in America that can draw up a good game plan for a QB that should be playing DII ball.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 12:50 pm
Would love to come down for a game and will reach out to you crazy fricks if I do. I promise to wear LSU gear and mask my yankee stench.
re: ND fan here
Posted by Here for the Heist on 10/24/22 at 12:49 pm
I think LSU would be crazy not to upgrade the offensive staff asap. I really don't know but I think Kelly's options were limited when he took the job and he just went with someone he knew (I could be wrong here).
Kelly has ego for days but let's be honest, any coach worth a shite has an ego. He made some serious changes at ND when he had to make changes. They were a little late, IMO, but better late then never.
Kelly has ego for days but let's be honest, any coach worth a shite has an ego. He made some serious changes at ND when he had to make changes. They were a little late, IMO, but better late then never.
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