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re: DBU origins? Was it Corey Raymond?

Posted by TDlurker on 1/18/24 at 9:08 am
Have always hated the "DBU" thing. Makes it sound like LSU is some niche upstart. LSU is "Football U." The only thing ever missing was legendary QB play, and now we have that.
Yes, but this post has way too much of a Jerry Stoval vibe.
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They are mutually the same.
No they are not the same. Saban was a great hire for LSU, but he was only here for 5 years. He’s been gone for almost two decades, yet LSU had enjoyed sustained success - success that would be even more spectacular but for Saban working directly AGAINST LSU as coach at Alabama. To say they are the “same thing” is to suggest the past 15 years wouldn’t have happed without him. If anything, the past 15 years would have been better if LSU didn’t have to compete against Saban for recruits and on the field. Saban was a great hire, but it was LSU that made LSU.
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Skip was made AD so that fans would more easily accept seat licensing for the first time in school history.
This. For those of you who were too young to be a paying ticket holder when Saban came on board…. THIS!
You have no idea what the mentality was like. You have no idea how much change went into that, from the AD, down through the paying fan base itself. LSU made Saban, not the other way around.
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it really is amazing how butthurt some of yall are over this man.
it’s really amazing how wrapped up in the guy some of y’all are. The pathetic little-man syndrome worshiping Saban as though LSU would be Tulane without the almighty Saban. Quit being so pathetic and get over the guy
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Skip had a lot to do with it but Saban was the one that demanded that we upgrade our facilities. Without his push for the football ops, upgrades to the old field armory building etc we wouldn’t have been able to stay on top of recruiting like we did when Les took over
Saban came here because LSU made the commitment to do that. It's not a coincidence that Saban's starting salary was multiples of Dinardo's. LSU was going to succeed in the post-2005 time period with or without Saban - that's the point.
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Saban made the LSU administration realize its unique position in this state with its football talent and being the only D1 school.
It was Dinardo who first had success recruiting New Orleans, and no "epiphany" was required - it was a giant flashing sign. No one needed Saban to realize that. The epiphany was that it wasn't going to work without spending top dollar on the best facilities and creating the best program.
It's probably Skip Bertman more than Nick Saban. I was there. I still remember Skip's 2001 barnstorming tour. Fans were furious with the price of everything going up (to pay for Saban's salary + spending spree), but Bertman was lecturing us that the screws were only going to get tighter. I remember the "per seat" comparison to other programs that were flourishing at the time (LSU fans were getting a bargain!). I remember getting uncomfortable in my seat, squirming thinking "there's no way LSU fans will pay that much."

The point is, it was LSU's commitment to paying top dollar that enabled Saban to succeed here. It can't be done without an institution making that commitment. Not here, not in Alabama, not anywhere. The people crediting Saban for LSU's success as though he alone did this are fools. LSU made Saban. Not the other way around.
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1, maybe 2 more. 2011 for sure. 2012 potentially.
Alabama won the SECCG 9 times under Saban. LSU was the SECW team Alabama beat out in most of those, and that doesn’t count 2011. LSU had a fence around Mobile (thanks to Saban) before he left Miami, and that doesn’t count an endless list of top recruits in La. that would have been at LSU but for Saban. Also, as has always been his luck, Saban was able to dominate the West during a period of unprecedented weakness in the East, paving the way for a NC. LSU would have won most of those SECCGs as well, if only they could get past Alabama.

I think it’s 3 or 4, but even 1 or 2 is proof that LSU made Saban not the other way around.
LSU went from paying coaches a few hundred thousand, to making Saban the 2nd highest paid coach in football the day he arrived in BR, with a contract that automatically made him the highest paid if he won a NC, which he did. LSU built Saban a new building, and the finest football facilities in the land, so he could out-recruit everyone and build himself into a legend. Already the highest paid coach, he was offered a raise to stay, but decided he couldn't pass up the NFL.

It was the commitment to football greatness from LSU that made Saban, and created those national championships, not the other way around. In a way, LSU is to blame for sparking the current era of absurd coaching salary inflation when it hired Saban 24 years ago.

Here's what you should be asking: how many National Championships does LSU have today if Saban stayed in Miami?
Ole Miss 2023 joins TAMU 2018 as the most shameful college football contests LSU has participated in. The only solace is that even the winners should be embarrassed for having been a part of them. Those games are a stain on the sport. Crap like that is how soccer creeps up.

re: Is anyone worried

Posted by TDlurker on 12/8/23 at 8:04 pm
upsetting longstanding precedent, there's going to be a surprise last minute candidate and the Heisman will go to Milroe
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Winning matters — and that’s all Penix has done. He’s 4-0 against ranked CFP teams this year. Daniels is 1-3.


Except that Daniels out-performed Penix *in those 4 games*. Heck, even looking at the entire *team*, LSU outscored Washington *in those four games* (150 to 145). Highlighting those 4 games is perhaps the best case to be made for Daniels!
At LSU, we've seen some incredible defensive units, and what we saw from FSU's defense in the ACC championship game was something special. On that performance alone, FSU deserved a spot. Louisville's entire offense consisted of:

- 50 plays that netted -8 yards total.
- A single coherent drive that led to a FG
- Just five other plays with meaningful positive yardage.


1. Louisville had 69 yards of offense in the 1st half, but 72 yards came on just 5 plays. The other 24 first-half plays netted -3 yards.

2. One of those 5 plays was a meaningless 11 yard run on the last 0:03 of the half, with FSU in prevent defense. Ignoring that meaningless snap, Louisville's offense had just 4 successful plays, and just 3 first downs in the 1st half.

3. Louisville came out of half time and mounted a single decent 12-play, 56 yard drive that led to its first FG. Five of Louisville's 8 pass completions came on that one drive. After that, FSU shut them down even more than they did in the 1st half.

4. Except for the 41yard run that led to the 2nd FG, Louisville's remaining 26 plays of the 2nd half netted -5 yards.
Not dissing Alabama or Texas, but just as a college football fan, what we saw from FSU's defense in the ACC championship game was something special, IMHO. It felt that way watching the game, so I looked at the drive chart, and it was even more special than it looked. Louisville's entire offense consisted of:

- 50 plays that netted -8 yards total.
- A single coherent drive that led to a FG
- Just five other plays with meaningful positive yardage.


1. Louisville had 69 yards of offense in the 1st half, but 72 yards came on just 5 plays. The other 24 first-half plays netted -3 yards.

2. One of those 5 plays was a meaningless 11 yard run on the last 0:03 of the half, with FSU in prevent defense. Ignoring that meaningless snap, Louisville's offense had just 4 successful plays, and just 3 first downs in the 1st half.

3. Louisville came out of half time and mounted a single decent 12-play, 56 yard drive that led to its first FG. Five of Louisville's 8 pass completions came on that one drive. After that, FSU shut them down even more than they did in the 1st half.

4. Except for the 41yard run that led to the 2nd FG, Louisville's remaining 26 plays of the 2nd half netted -5 yards.
Everything is going to change in the next 9 months, and the difference between being a top 1~3 team versus a top ~10 team won't mean what it does today. 24 months ago, LSU hired away the coach from arguably the most storied program in all the land. Yes money, but Kelly also realized that realignment + portal was going to push ND even further away from elite status, while LSU is going to be in that number.
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JaMarcus Russell essentially played his way to the first overall draft pick in a bowl game. No one was really talking about him going that high until the shellacking of ND in the Sugar Bowl in '06.
This is 100% true about JaMarcus Russell. That was a single-game QB performance for the ages. Have never seen a person throw a ball that far from his back foot. Not sure it applied to Daniels given how exceptional his season is already, but yeah that game earned Russell an extra $10 million or so.
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"With a month to play in the season, that doomsday scenario may seem far off. But if LSU wins out, it’s just as likely that what needs to happen to clear the deck for the SEC champion to reach the Playoff won’t happen."
No one is writing this article about Ole Miss or Missouri. Even with 2 losses, they all know who the team to beat is.