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Then a shite ton of transfers, poorly evaluated kids, and "projects" that were wasted without development. Nutt came in and plug a bunch of holes with average recruits quickly and used those handful of top talent guys to win a couple of cotton bowls.

This. O was all about making a big splash on signing day, that didn’t always translate into putting a good team on the field. A bunch of his highly-rated signees had problems qualifying academically. See Jerrell Powe.

O was a terrible talent evaluator. I personally witnessed an argument he had with Frank Wilson about a recruit Wilson was very high on. O didn’t want to offer him because he didn’t have enough “stars” from the recruiting services, but he finally acquiesced to Wilson. The recruit was future pro-bowler Mike Wallace.

O was an even worse head coach. He squandered the good talent he had recruited. He personally wrecked special teams. I once saw him chew out a place kicker on the sideline for missing a field goal, which doesn’t exactly build confidence.

Nutt came in and did a better job coaching O’s recruits, coasting to a couple of good seasons. But Nutt was lazy and after a couple of years it showed. Getting Freeze (an O disciple) was a great relief. But we know how that worked out.
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I saw vs. the Horns were a lot of jump balls bailed out by poor DB's and good WR play.

Hmm. Seems like Evans went up high to bail out Manziel on lob passes more than a few times.

re: Is Mullen on the hot seat?

Posted by TeeteringBrink on 10/18/21 at 8:57 am
Not having the right players?

I just looked and Florida’s recruiting has been top 10 or close to it for four years.

Muffin has no legitimate excuse.

re: SEC shorts

Posted by TeeteringBrink on 10/18/21 at 8:40 am
SEC shorts.
You’re right; my bad. It was LSUfan who said the things I quoted. He was wrong.

Thanks for the link to the separation agreement.

Bottom line is that after this season, O could take an assistant’s job anywhere, or a non-SEC head coaching job. And after 18 months, he could coach anywhere in any capacity.

The only caveat to that is the strange clause saying they would negotiate a new employment agreement to begin shortly.
Thanks. Look at paragraph 4(c). That’s what governs the issue we’re talking about. As Dellenger reported, it only restricts O from a head coaching job, within the SEC, for 18 months.
Dude, you said exactly what I quoted you as saying.
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They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years.


That appears to be wrong, based on the reports. Not prohibited from any coaching position, not “anywhere,” and not for 4 years.
See my other responses.

That clause wouldn’t prohibit other employment. It only gives LSU a non-exclusive right to use his name and likeness. The more specific non-compete clause would govern any other employment. Point me to a link of the separation agreement if you don’t mind.
Ahh, okay. But that quoted clause —whether in the original contract or the separation agreement— doesn’t prohibit O from coaching anywhere else. Any such prohibition would be in a non-compete type clause.

Again, I haven’t seen the separation agreement, but it is reported to only prohibit employment as a Head Coach, in the SEC, for 18 months. Not, as you said, “They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years.”
Not wrong. I was responding to someone’s suggestion that the quoted section of the original contract gave LSU the right to control EO’s name being in another school’s media guide, in perpetuity.

I agree that the severance agreement would novate and supersede the original contract which, as I noted, was being terminated. Idk what that new agreement says. I read somewhere that it only prohibits O from being a head coach in the SEC for 18 months.
You think SEC coaches only work four months of the year? Oh boy have I got news for you ….
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So... can LSU basically prevent anyone from hiring O in any position that would be listed in a media guide?

No. It says right there in black and white that LSU’s use of Orgeron’s name is “non-exclusive.” Also, that clause is operative only during the “term” of his contract, which is being terminated.
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Legit question: can you name one coach who has been fired as a head coach to go work as an assistant at that school?

Not sure exactly what you’re asking, but fwiw Ole Miss has a long history of firing head coaches who later take an assistant or coordinator job. Matt Luke, Orgeron, David Cutcliff, and Joe Lee Dunn all stepped down to non-head coach jobs after being fired.
Someone farked Merlin’s wife into that pic but I don’t remember which thread it was in. Anyone?
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This woman is a superspreader

I thought she just kissed them.
One thing about that loss to UCLA: That was UCLA’s second game of the season, LSU’s opener. Big advantage there, fwiw.
Tbh in real time I also thought he made it, until I realized that the ball was tucked into his belly with his left hand instead of the hand he stretched over the line. Once they showed video from the other side, it was clear that the ball never made it even arguably to the line.

I looked at the replay. The ref on the far side was the only one with a view of the ball itself, and he immediately spotted the ball. No way was there anything that would even remotely support a reversal.