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That is why you get a good look at Mom before committing to anything. If as a younger woman, mom was nice and perky, but turned out to be horse faced saggy balloon of a woman, run away as fast as you can.


I've seen the inverse happen a fair amount too though. I know quite a few pretty hot 50 year old's whose daughters were super cute in their 20's but have fallen off bigly in their 30's.
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its not as strong as its been in the past


Which is perfectly fair to say but the ND fanboys in here are melting from people pointing out the data.
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Who gives a shite that Northwestern ahs the #17 SOS if they are going to go 3-9? That's a retarded take.



Well they may not go 3-9 if they played Notre Dame's schedule is the point lol

Northwestern is over/under at 5.5 this year and is projected by many to only be favored in 3 or so games. Their SOS is #6 according to ESPN.

I asked chat if they played ND's schedule, how many games would they be favored. That number jumps to 8.


ND's 5 toughest games; #7 Miami, #14 BYU, #19 SMU, North Carolina, Wisconsin.

NW's 5 toughest games: #1 Ohio State, #2 Oregon, #6 Indiana, #16 Penn State, Iowa
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Freeman is 4-1 against the SEC and BK was 3-4 in his entire tenure at ND. BK had 0 playoff wins, Freeman has 3.



We really going to pretend that Marcus Freeman beating a couple of 8-5 SCAR and A&M teams is the same thing as the Alabama squads that Kelly faced just because they're all SEC? The UGA win sure, that one is legit, but let's not pretend that those were the same quality wins and let's certainly not pretend that any of Freeman's teams stay anywhere within 2 touchdowns of either 2020 or 2012 Alabama.


Also, most of Kelly's ND tenure had a playoff that was either two or four. Freeman has had a 12 team playoff for 2 of his 4 years and he hasn't won the one that matters anyway.


I get it, you're a ND fan and wanna see things as a positive for them but Freeman hasn't accomplished anything that Kelly didn't. At some point, you have to win the big one and with a bigger field and more opportunity to do so, Freeman hasn't delivered yet.




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but it's evidence that ND has recruited at a higher level recently than in BK's tenure



Cj Carr was the number 11 QB and number 88 overall player.


Gunner Kiel was the #1 QB and #24 Overall
Tyler Bucnher was the #10 QB and #90 Overall
Phil Jurkovec was the #4 DT QB and #110 Overall
Brandon Wimbush was the #3 DT QB and #43 Overall


It's not like a player of Carr's rating was unheard of in South Bend.
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ND of the last 5 years is a different animal than the BK era.



Are they?


Under Brian Kelly
2018: 12-1 (CFP Loss)
2019: 11-2 (Missed 4 team playoff)
2020: 10-2 (CFP Loss)
2021: 11-2 (Missed 4 team playoff)


Under Marcus Freeman
2022: 9-4 (Missed 4 team playoff)
2023: 10-3 (Missed 4 team playoff)
2024: 14-2 (Lost CFPCG)
2025: 10-2 (Missed 12 team CFP)


In that stretch of time, Brian Kelly has more wins and playoff appearances than Marcus Freeman when the playoff was harder to make.



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Just on offense CJ Carr is the Heisman favorite, the RB room is deep with guys who can be top end RB's, the WR has a lot of young, unproven talent that has potential to be special, and Ian Premer may be the next Brock Bowers.


We'll see. It's been since Mariota in 2014 that the preseason Heisman favorite actually won the thing and the rest of that sounds like a lot of "we think these guys will be good but we'll have to see.
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I agree with this in principle, but it's not for them trying to dodge teams. I value the ability to play teams from all conferences, but there are benefits to joining the Big10 or SEC. Full membership in the ACC or the Big12 would hurt the schedule more than it helps.


Fair enough. I think, like I said in the earlier post, what bothers me is how ND can play a softer scehdule than a team like an LSU and still reap the benefit of the name on the jersey when it comes to selection. The committee has shown that it's better to play soft competition and win than play a tough schedule and take a few black eyes.


The watered down version of the LSU schedule I just posted would actually be quite similar to the ND actual schedule from last year.



LSU:---------------------------------------------------ND:

@Clemson - -------------------------------------- @ Miami
La Tech------------------------------------------------A&M
Florida ------------------------------------------------Purdue
Southeastern ---------------------------------------@ Arkansas
@Purdue---------------------------------------------Boise State
South Carolina -------------------------------------NC State
@Boston College----------------------------------USC
Texas A&M-------------------------------------------@ Boston College
@Syracuse-------------------------------------------Navy
Arkansas---------------------------------------------@ Pitt
Western Kentucky---------------------------------Syracuse
@OU ------------------------------------------------ @ Stanford




LSU probably wins as many or within one game of what ND won with that schedule and LSU was not a good football team last year.
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I think my argument is Notre Dame is not any more overrated than lots of major programs,


That's pretty vague though. What do you mean by lots? What do you mean by major? You're not really wrong but the metric isn't clear either.

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and definitely not more overrated than LSU recently


I didn't make the argument that LSU hasn't been overrated. I think the argument most people have against ND is that their schedule doesn't provide the opportunity to get exposed like say an LSU schedule does.

For example, LSU goes 7-5 last year in the regular season with losses @ Vandy, @ Bama, @ OU, @ Ole Miss and A&M.


What if instead of playing Pavia on the road, Chambliss on the road, Alabama on the road, LSU instead played Purdue, Boston College and Syracuse? Does LSU win all 3 of those and get to 10 wins? I think they do.

What if the LSU schedule looks like.....

@Clemson
La Tech
Florida
Southeastern
@Purdue
South Carolina
@Boston College
Texas A&M
@Syracuse
Arkansas
Western Kentucky
@OU



Does LSU sneak into the playoff as a 10-2 team and proceed to get their absolute doors blown off? Absolutely.
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lol the link he was using in his argument only covers through 2020. It’s actually using years almost exclusively BEFORE 2019


And LSU had plenty of overrated years during that span but was the argument that LSU hasn't been overrated or that Notre Dame has? LSU had plenty of overrated stretches, for example, the 2nd half of Les' tenure.
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By this argument, LSU is also one of the consistently most overrated teams…



I mean, yeah. LSU has been overrated since 2019. It’s why the last two coaches have been fired.
Him and Candace get stranger by the day.
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In 2028 for instance that includes 3 SEC games.


Good for them that their 2028 schedule looks like a respectable one but again, I'm not talking about their schedule two years from now. I'm talking about what their schedule has been in the recent past.


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ND scheduled Wisconsin in 2019, they had just won 77% of their games the previous 5 years before scheduling. How is it ND's fault they completely fell apart as a program after that?


Notre Dame scheduled the Lambeau game with Wisconsin in 2021, not 2019. Between the 2017-2021, Wisconsin won only 72% of it's games and that's including a huge outlier season in 2017 where they won 13 games. They were basically a 4-5 loss type team when ND scheduled this years game, so not terrible, but it's not like they booked Ohio State or anything.



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USC pulled out last minute, and they replaced them with top 25 BYU who was a fringe playoff team last year.



This is a misrepresentation. USC wanted to move the game to earlier in the year since they play in the Big Ten and the committee doesn't really reward playing tough games if you lose them, especially late in the year. Notre Dame dug it's heels in because "tradition" and they like to have their few difficult games spread out on the schedule between creampuffs. It's not like USC just said we're suddenly scared of ND.


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Purdue and Michigan St have been weaker, but they are traditional rivals with named trophies and in a P4 conference.



Purdue has won like 38% of it's games in the last decade and Michigan State has only won 48% of it's games. Put them together and they win around 40% of their games. They're both basically 5-7 football teams over the last decade. Idc that they have a trophy for the game, they both suck.




Notre Dame plays a weaker schedule than many other premier programs, it's just reality.
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When you have a schedule like ND's it is pretty hard to drop in the rankings since you only play 2 games you won't win. LSU plays 6-8 "loseable" per year.

When ND has 0-2 losses they get mauled in a "BCS" or playoff game (2024 not withstanding) or trucked in the national championship game .

But when we play in a meaningful bowl against non-SEC competition, during a season where we only have 0-2 losses, we win.


Yep, take Texas for an example. Notre Dame played 7 teams that didn't even make it to bowl eligibility last season. Texas on the flip side played....


Ohio State - 12-2
San Jose State - 9-4
UTEP - 3-9
Sam Houston - 2-10
Florida - 4-8
OU - 10-3
UK - 5-7
Miss State - 5-8
Vandy - 10-3
UGA - 12-2
Arky - 2-10
A&M - 11-2
Michigan - 9-4

Combined opponent W/L: 94 - 72



Notre Dame opponent W/L: 64-72


Texas' opponents had as many combined wins as Notre Dame's entire schedule just between Ohio State, Michigan, A&M, Georgia, Vandy & OU. But Texas gets left out of the playoff and effectively got punished for playing tough games like OSU.
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Schedules made years in advance and then whatever crap the ACC hands them. Their scheduling "weakness" is directly related to their ACC alliance.

Wisconsin was a much better program when that game was signed, you can't predict things like that.


That's not really relevant to the argument though. The argument, at least from me, isn't that Notre Dame ducked difficult opponents on purpose with their scheduling, though I think you could make an argument for that. My argument was simply that Notre Dame's schedule this season is extremely easy relative to the schedules other major programs have to play.
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This is a tougher schedule than any non SEC or Big 10 teams, and it's arguably tougher than some of the Big 10 teams that are ranked.


Here's the projected win totals from Vegas for every team on ND's schedule this year.

Wisconsin - 6.5
Rice - 3.5
Michigan State - 4.5
Purdue - 3.5
North Carolina - 4.5
Stanford - 3.5
BYU - 8.5
Navy - 7.5
Miami - 10.5
Boston College - 3.5
SMU - 8.5
Syracuse - 4.5



Vegas has 7 of their 12 games featuring opponents who likely won't even get to 6 wins. They could sleepwalk and get to 9 wins with Wisky, Rice, MSU, Purdue, UNC, Stanford, Boston College, Syracuse & Navy. Get one of Miami, BYU & SMU, 2 of which you get at home, and you're a ten win team.
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go back and look at their schedules for every year.


Here's every opponent they'll face this years record from last.

Wisconsin: 4-8
Rice: 5-8
Michigan State: 4-8
@Purdue: 2-10
@North Carolina: 4-8
Stanford: 4-8
@ BYU: 12-2
Navy: 11-2
Miami: 13-3
Boston College: 2-10
SMU: 9-4
@Syracuse: 3-9


Combined W/L: 64-72


They only have 4 road games on the whole schedule and we're lumping Navy into the upper echelon group even though that 11 win record came with them mostly beating sun belt level teams. It's not a tough schedule. 7 of their games feature opponents who didn't even sniff .500.

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I loved the addition when we took him out of Destrehan. Long player at 6'1" and ran 11.07 in the hundred. Yep, gimme dat. Good to see him starting to put it together.
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Support team with a JTAC, a couple M240's, and other munitions would be an interesting angle...


We're also going way down the rabbit hole here but the initial psychological advantage of these guys getting absolutely mowed down by LMG and interlocking fire from an enemy they can't even really see would be brutal.
Just one guy? No. If by support team, you mean air cover or artillery, then absolutely.


ETA; Nevermind, I misread you. Absolutely not, that's an entire stadium of people rushing you at once. They'd overwhelm you.
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I think most Americans haven't supported war because they haven't felt a compelling reason to support one. Initially, the GWOT had like 85-90% approval. Americans don't support wars they don't believe in and don't believe matter and once you lose them, they don't tend to come back to your side of things.
He has all the tools physically. Brad Davis just couldn't mold him but hopefully, Cregg and Wolford can.