JiminyCricket

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This is something nobody talks about. It’s not a lock a person will be fricked up for life. TBH I think some of the assumption around this has arisen from … what else … lawsuits.

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Yep and it makes me sad when people allow the worst thing that ever been done to them dominate their life for the remainer of their days. I have had so many wonderful experiences and relationships that I likely would've missed if I just decided to allow it to define me. Don't get me wrong, it took a lot of work and God's healing but it is possible to recover and you don't have to feel shame forever.

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I cannot tell you how strongly I agree with that statement. For women it can wreck intimacy for a lifetime.

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It doesn’t have to though. I was 7 years old the first time I was abused and it continued over a period of the next 5 years. I’m not destroyed. I can love. I can trust. I have a great wife. I can have sex without shame. I’m empathetic and treat people well. The worst chapter of your story, especially a chapter you didn’t write, doesn’t have to define you. God can restore more than people think.

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Sexual assaults create wounds that cannot heal.

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That’s not true. I’m a sexual abuse survivor and healing can happen. As a matter of fact, I feel that I’m a more empathetic person for having been through that and it’s allowed me to be a light to others by the grace of god. Furthermore, as a person who has experienced the negative end of being abused in that manner, I still stand for what is right and true. No one is saying these men made wise or moral decisions. The argument, though, is that they don’t deserve to have their lives ruined and be labeled sex offenders if the facts don’t support that conclusion. People are tired of women being sexually assaulted but they’re also tired of the Duke Lacrosse, Trevor Bauer, etc situations that arise. You can absolutely be pro-women and anti-false allegations.

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how comfortable can anyone be raising a daughter in this country and climate?

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How comfortable can any parent be for their sons that at any time they can be accused of being a predator and they’ll likely be convicted in the court of public opinion, facts be damned?

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I completely agree. I'm more thinking about instances where incapacitation is involved.

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That’s easy, it’s rape unless a very specific set of circumstances. I’ve had friends whose wives tell their husbands in advance that they plan on drinking and getting plastered that night and they’re giving permission in advance for sexual contact even if they’re wasted. Now, is that my cup of tea? No. I don’t want sex if my wife isn’t in the mood or otherwise actively involved. Is it rape in that situation? I don’t think so.

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Touche and fair point. But I posted about the oddness of the existence of police departments on public university campuses initially. Then I moved to discussing general consent. I never made any judgement about these specific events themselves. I'm not trying to portray myself as an expert.

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Fair enough.

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I think this is debatable, depending on the circumstances. If a person with an intellectual disability is raped, I agree that the victim would not need to fully grasp that he/she was violated for the crime to be a crime. If two drunk people willingly have sex and neither feels that they were violated - did a crime occur? Of if a husband and wife go out and the wife gets drunk and wants to have sex with her husband when they get home - would that be rape depending on her BAC? This gets extremely nuanced.

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Im assuming by intellectual disability, we’re talking severe enough to cause doubt relative to the persons ability to reason at all; basically forms of retardation, not someone with a reading comp issue. On the feeling issue, I don’t think it matters how you feel if what you say is indicative of consent. The state of how someone felt at a given time, of course not including cases of coercion, is such a vague area that we can’t hold people accountable for. Put simply, if you say to someone you want to have sex and you then have sex and you never ask to stop at any point, you consented. If that weren’t the case, theoretically you could have cases where someone verbally consents to sex but claims at some point they decided they didn’t want to continue, never verbalizes that desire and you now have a rape case. How can you possibly hold a person responsible for knowing the internal monologue of another person that they never shared out loud? That’s an incredibly dangerous precedent to set if we start going after people and the victim statements are essentially “I told them I wanted to have sex and we did but at some point I wanted to stop. I never said that to the other person but I feel violated so they should be punished.” That’s an incredibly dangerous precedent and it would absolutely be weaponized against people in a frivolous manner.

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Not sure what her account is, but what do the other participants say?

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Most of them aren’t saying a damn thing since millions of people have already labeled them sexual predators deserving of life in prison. People who make that determination without any of the relevant facts.

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Drunk people cannot consent to anything.

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So if your husband went on a business trip and called you to tell you he had a night of heavy drinking and banged a lady at the bar, you’d respond by saying it’s okay because he was incapable of consenting?

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The victim got into the man’s vehicle after he offered to drive her home, according to the incident report. The victim told police that she was sexually assaulted before being dropped off at her dorm.

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An absolutely terrible story but it's important that people understand that you NEVER get into a vehicle with a stranger. Even if you're being held at gunpoint, make them shoot you before you get into the vehicle. Almost nothing good happens once that car takes off with you in it.

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Looks to me a money play. It sure seemed all was consensual by her statements in the initial interview.

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It certainly could be. I'm curious to see what the facts show when all of this plays out.

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My rather salient point is that if you don’t run trains on hoors who are doped up on special K, you don’t get your name in the paper. I’m not going to run public defense for pieces of shite. Participating in risky behaviors ends in less the ideal outcomes. But it was legallllllll! Foh

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Why are you moving the goalposts? Big difference between condemning lewd behavior and wanting people thrown in jail.