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re: WV losing because of quitter Will Grier
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:50 am to meansonny
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:50 am to meansonny
I didn’t laugh at Grier. Same situation as Baker. Spurrier was a paid employee that quit. Baker isn’t drawing a paycheck and has helped make the university millions of dollars.
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Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:50 am to meansonny
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There is no solution
So why all the bitching?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:51 am to Dawgholio
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If you want to recruit at a high level then don’t get pissed if they leave for the NFL.
I love when players leave early for the NFL. It helps recruiting 2 ways.
1) it sells
2) it opens up more spots on the 85 to keep signing larger classes. That helps momentum. That helps reload instead of rebuild. It is hard to sustain continued success, but that is how it is done.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:52 am to gamatt53
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So why all the bitching?
I'm not bitching.
It is a message board. If I have something to share, I share it.
You can do the same. Free country and all.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:55 am to Dawgholio
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I didn’t laugh at Grier. Same situation as Baker. Spurrier was a paid employee that quit. Baker isn’t drawing a paycheck and has helped make the university millions of dollars.
I have laughed at grier. I've laughed at lsu. I've laughed at Spurrier and the gamecocks.
College football is a team sport. If a team underperforms, you have to look at talent and leadership. When players leave their team, it says something about the leadership.
Lead is a 4 letter word when those who lead are lying.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:57 am to gamatt53
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Gurley and Greene missed more games than Baker due to looking out for their financial self interest.
Yup. Seems like we had a leadership issue.
It is funny that we have created laws against those situations since then. I get nervous when Jefferson is right about things.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:58 am to meansonny
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Yup. Seems like we had a leadership issue.
I assume you have also labeled those those guys quitters with tainted legacies then?
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/29/18 at 8:17 am to gamatt53
You accuse me of bitching, but all I am doing is responding to posts. Do you see the difference?
Call it like it is.
The deep nerve that you accuse me of has nothing to do with me.
It is about letting the team down. And yes, a lot of that has to deal with 18-22 year Olds being leaders. Do you remember Deandre Walker showing love to Brenton Cox? That is leadership. The team can't lie to one another and say, "this is ok". If Baker was one of the leaders preaching "team" to one another, then this hurts the team. The players will doubt leaders if it is OK to lie to one another. It hurts the team if player's say to Gurley/Greene, it is OK. Show them the same type of love Walker showed Cox.
It isn't my nerve. It is the team's nerve. These young men aren't stupid.
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What about when players do dumb shite like sell signed Jerseys and get sunspended for a bunch of games? Was it about “leadership” and did it strike a deep nerve like this Baker situation is doing?
Call it like it is.
The deep nerve that you accuse me of has nothing to do with me.
It is about letting the team down. And yes, a lot of that has to deal with 18-22 year Olds being leaders. Do you remember Deandre Walker showing love to Brenton Cox? That is leadership. The team can't lie to one another and say, "this is ok". If Baker was one of the leaders preaching "team" to one another, then this hurts the team. The players will doubt leaders if it is OK to lie to one another. It hurts the team if player's say to Gurley/Greene, it is OK. Show them the same type of love Walker showed Cox.
It isn't my nerve. It is the team's nerve. These young men aren't stupid.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 8:18 am to gamatt53
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assume you have also labeled those those guys quitters with tainted legacies then?
Why would you assume?
They were selfish. Not quitters. Do you disagree that what they did was selfish? Do you disagree that they hurt their team?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 8:33 am to meansonny
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It is about letting the team down.
Except from all accounts the coaches and team mates all support Bakers decision to sit out. Find me one report, tweet, or sound bite stating otherwise.
So really it isn’t about that it’s about him letting you down as a fan.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/29/18 at 9:01 am to gamatt53
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Except from all accounts the coaches and team mates all support Bakers decision to sit out. Find me one report, tweet, or sound bite stating otherwise.
This is where it disturbs me that Jefferson is right.
If Baker has always been about himself. The workouts, the grind, the effort. If it is always about himself, then that is one thing.
But to pose as a team leader. Team meetings. Team workouts. To push others for the team. To thank and praise Chubb/Sony for the team. Then that is a hypocrisy. And it hurts the team. And it hurts the team to say it is alright to be disengenuous as a leader.
I wasn't in the locker room. I don't know Baker's role. The only nerve triggered is the one for team chemistry and team leadership. If baker never played on false pretenses, then the team chemistry and leadership isn't hurt.
But mendacity stinks. It is a stink that doesn't leave.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 9:17 am to meansonny
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The only nerve triggered is the one for team chemistry and team leadership. I
Link? Or did you just make all that up ?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 9:53 am to gamatt53
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Link? Or did you just make all that up ?
Have you ever heard of LSU? Do you need a link?
They have "normalized" sitting out as a program. They lose to teams like 2017 Notre Dame. They have leadership issues.
Compare them to Bama and all of their players sitting out of bowl games. Or UGA on prior years and all of our players sitting out of bowl games.
You can't see the difference in what that "normalization" does to a team? If you can't trust your team leaders, who can you trust?
Mendacity is a stink that doesn't leave a program.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 10:21 am to gamatt53
Y’all are missing the whole point here.
Schools only make a one year, renewable fiscal commitment to the players
This commitment is not commensurate with their skills.
They can not leave after that year and go where they want.
Coaches are signed to multi year deals typically
They are paid commensurate to their skills
They can leave when they want with little blowback to their personal finances.
College football is a billion $ business that feeds the NFL that is another billion $ business.
Agents are fleas that suck 10% of this money up for themselves. They are grown ups with fancy cars, houses, offices, women, and an army of helpers whose job is to wow kids who have never seen money anywhere close to this amount... they get in their ear... they are lawyers... grown ups... they have a long list of pro guys they ‘made’ millionaires. They exploit the inequities..
There are quite a bit of perceived and real inequities in the current model. Greed and poor decisions have put the NFL in a decline. They still have so much $$$, that it is hard to see it.
College football is the Golden Goose for the NFL. It is hugely popular, the same sport and uses the NFls future players... and they don’t have to pay for it. These players, when they move on to the NFL attract new fans to a team due to their college ties.
So, the agents are ‘right’ that from a $$ standpoint.... risking injury in a Bowl game is not ‘worth’ it.... because, it is now acceptable. The NFL does not hold it against them.
This is a relatively new thing.
College Bowls are huge money makes for college football. The NFL, is essentially devaluing them. You can say that the NFL has no bearing on this, but they do.
So, what is next? What else is acceptable?
What will be acceptable in a few years?
The slope continues to slip and the people that fuel it are tricked into accepting it and even defending it....
Schools only make a one year, renewable fiscal commitment to the players
This commitment is not commensurate with their skills.
They can not leave after that year and go where they want.
Coaches are signed to multi year deals typically
They are paid commensurate to their skills
They can leave when they want with little blowback to their personal finances.
College football is a billion $ business that feeds the NFL that is another billion $ business.
Agents are fleas that suck 10% of this money up for themselves. They are grown ups with fancy cars, houses, offices, women, and an army of helpers whose job is to wow kids who have never seen money anywhere close to this amount... they get in their ear... they are lawyers... grown ups... they have a long list of pro guys they ‘made’ millionaires. They exploit the inequities..
There are quite a bit of perceived and real inequities in the current model. Greed and poor decisions have put the NFL in a decline. They still have so much $$$, that it is hard to see it.
College football is the Golden Goose for the NFL. It is hugely popular, the same sport and uses the NFls future players... and they don’t have to pay for it. These players, when they move on to the NFL attract new fans to a team due to their college ties.
So, the agents are ‘right’ that from a $$ standpoint.... risking injury in a Bowl game is not ‘worth’ it.... because, it is now acceptable. The NFL does not hold it against them.
This is a relatively new thing.
College Bowls are huge money makes for college football. The NFL, is essentially devaluing them. You can say that the NFL has no bearing on this, but they do.
So, what is next? What else is acceptable?
What will be acceptable in a few years?
The slope continues to slip and the people that fuel it are tricked into accepting it and even defending it....
Posted on 12/29/18 at 11:44 am to meansonny
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Now, the official statement is to leave the team to focus on the combine. But how many of them leave home to train? Baker is in New Orleans.
He’s in New Orleans helping his team get prepared for Texas. Helping the younger guys who are getting those valuable reps in his stead. Yeah, he’s really turning his back on his team.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 11:47 am to meansonny
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Compare them to Bama and all of their players sitting out of bowl games.
Man, wonder why they haven’t had any guys sitting out the postseason. Hmmmmm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 11:49 am to Jefferson Dawg
Maybe I’m out of the loop of meme culture, but what’s an NPC meme?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:04 pm to RedPants
NPC- Non Playable Character in a video game like a computer controlled character such as a shopkeeper in Zelda. They say and do what the computer has programmed.
The NPC meme took a leap to refer to snowflakes or any other parrot that simply repeats what the tv box says.
The NPC meme took a leap to refer to snowflakes or any other parrot that simply repeats what the tv box says.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:07 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:11 pm to RedPants
i.e. "Orange Man bad!" or "you're on the wrong side of history".
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