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re: Watched the Bama pick 6 play on film
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:42 am to lewis and herschel
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:42 am to lewis and herschel
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At one point, Stet had throw 10 passes for 9 completions to 9 different wrs....
stetson has played very well against alabama in the first half the last 2 years. I don't know specifically what bama's coaches see on film that our coaches don't, but in both of his games against them, barely a year apart, the second half he hasn't done jack shite. Multiple interceptions each year and a combined 7 points. I'd like to see that improve.
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Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:42 am to ShockTroop
Sounds like you would know, probably shop at those places for your own shoes and clothes....
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:45 am to WG_Dawg
Could be a lack of run support and little real play action to create space against nfl level secondary....
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:47 am to lewis and herschel
Something else that's disturbing to me on the topic. Our QBs against saban-led bama teams:
07- Stafford - 3 point win
08- Stafford - 11 point loss
12- Murray - 4 point loss
15 - Lambert - big loss
17- Fromm - 3 point loss
18- Fromm - 7 point loss
20 - Bennett - big loss
21 - Bennett - big loss
Pretty clear data here that's unmistakeable. We've played them 3 times with what I'd call an elite QB, whihc resulted in 1 win, 1 close loss, and 1 11 point loss. We've played them twice with what I'd call a "pretty good" QB, resulting in 2 close losses. We've played them once with a bad QB resulting in a big loss. And now we've played them twice with bennett, who you can categorize in whatever way you like, and resulted in 2 big losses.
It's clear that we hang in there with bama when we have pretty good to great QB play. When we are lacking at the position we get blown out.
07- Stafford - 3 point win
08- Stafford - 11 point loss
12- Murray - 4 point loss
15 - Lambert - big loss
17- Fromm - 3 point loss
18- Fromm - 7 point loss
20 - Bennett - big loss
21 - Bennett - big loss
Pretty clear data here that's unmistakeable. We've played them 3 times with what I'd call an elite QB, whihc resulted in 1 win, 1 close loss, and 1 11 point loss. We've played them twice with what I'd call a "pretty good" QB, resulting in 2 close losses. We've played them once with a bad QB resulting in a big loss. And now we've played them twice with bennett, who you can categorize in whatever way you like, and resulted in 2 big losses.
It's clear that we hang in there with bama when we have pretty good to great QB play. When we are lacking at the position we get blown out.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:49 am to WG_Dawg
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stetson has played very well against alabama in the first half the last 2 years. I don't know specifically what bama's coaches see on film that our coaches don't, but in both of his games against them, barely a year apart, the second half he hasn't done jack shite. Multiple interceptions each year and a combined 7 points. I'd like to see that improve.
It seems to me that we need to stick to our plan. Bama punches us in the mouth and instead of grinding back we turn into a west coast offense. They can’t do a lot of these coverage tricks when we are grinding and running PA. Our offense has scored a lot of points and broke a lot of wills with what we do .
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:49 am to Peter Buck
Are you a tard who didn't watch Bowers make all the elite plays that gave him those yards?
And it took nearly 50 attempts to get it.
While attempting these elite yards you are referencing he managed to give the other team 6 points.
And it took nearly 50 attempts to get it.
While attempting these elite yards you are referencing he managed to give the other team 6 points.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:50 am to WG_Dawg
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When we are lacking at the position we get blown out.
Stetson gets us another 17 point loss, most likely a 10pt loss because the D will probably fix a few things.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:51 am to WG_Dawg
Lets call Brady, he doesnt play on saturdays, he can fill in and win a nc as our starter...
We all know Stets weaknesses, some just cant comprehend that something is up with JT, beck sucks, and BVG isnt ready.
Stet is who we have. Support him, things would be far worse without him.
Also Fromm had two RBs taken in the top 40 picks. All those long runs vs OU...
That may be the difference?
We all know Stets weaknesses, some just cant comprehend that something is up with JT, beck sucks, and BVG isnt ready.
Stet is who we have. Support him, things would be far worse without him.
Also Fromm had two RBs taken in the top 40 picks. All those long runs vs OU...
That may be the difference?
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:52 am to lewis and herschel
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some just cant comprehend that sonwthing is up with JT
what's up with him?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:53 am to WG_Dawg
The fact that he is now the back up and has been most of the season....
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:55 am to ShockTroop
Probably would have gone over your head even while wearing clown shoes.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:02 am to WG_Dawg
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Something else that's disturbing to me on the topic. Our QBs against saban-led bama teams: 07- Stafford - 3 point win 08- Stafford - 11 point loss 12- Murray - 4 point loss 15 - Lambert - big loss 17- Fromm - 3 point loss 18- Fromm - 7 point loss 20 - Bennett - big loss 21 - Bennett - big loss Pretty clear data here that's unmistakeable. We've played them 3 times with what I'd call an elite QB, whihc resulted in 1 win, 1 close loss, and 1 11 point loss. We've played them twice with what I'd call a "pretty good" QB, resulting in 2 close losses. We've played them once with a bad QB resulting in a big loss. And now we've played them twice with bennett, who you can categorize in whatever way you like, and resulted in 2 big losses. It's clear that we hang in there with bama when we have pretty good to great QB play. When we are lacking at the position we get blown out.
The 2018 game with Fromm, we ran the ball 39 times for over 150 yards.
The 2021 game we ran it 30 for 109.
The 2018 game we had 23 first downs
The 2021 game we had 30 first downs.
In both games we won the first down battle.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:08 am to Dawg4Life47
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Are you a tard who didn't watch Bowers make all the elite plays that gave him those yards? And it took nearly 50 attempts to get it. While attempting these elite yards you are referencing he managed to give the other team 6 points.
He threw to 11 different receivers for 350 yards. Bowers, who was awesome, had 139 and 1 of the 3 Tds.
What are you wanting to believe here?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:48 am to WG_Dawg
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stetson has played very well against alabama in the first half the last 2 years. I don't know specifically what bama's coaches see on film that our coaches don't, but in both of his games against them, barely a year apart, the second half he hasn't done jack shite. Multiple interceptions each year and a combined 7 points. I'd like to see that improve.
I think we all would....but think for just a minute. Could the difference be due to Alabama's defensive coaches seeing our game plan and adjusting to it and we are not adjusting our game plan but sticking with it since it had been working in the first half?
I mean, I doubt Bennett is doing things drastically different in the second half than he is in the first, right?
Bennett tends to throw into bad coverage from time to time, no doubt about that. He sometimes forces passes instead of taking the yards with shorter passes or running...no doubt about that, either.
But it's dumb for people to go through film and break it down in slow motion and save every play in which there was a receiver open. That is not some strange occurrence that is unique to Bennett. You could do the exact same thing to every QB. People don't realize that a QB typically has about 3 maybe 4 seconds to read through progressions and make a throw while dodging rushing linemen, picking up blitzes....there is an awful lot going on during a play. And then situations can change drastically during that time frame.
(Not aimed at you, necessarily WG)
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:51 am to Dawg4Life47
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Stetson gets us another 17 point loss, most likely a 10pt loss because the D will probably fix a few things.
Why play the game, then? I mean you spoke, so it must be so.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:57 am to Dawg4Life47
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And it took nearly 50 attempts to get it.
Did you know Stetson Bennett was #1 in the SEC in yards per attempt?
Did you know he was #2 in the SEC in QBR? Bryce Young was #3.
I get it. (We all do) You don't like Stetson Bennett because (I guess) he is short...or wasn't a 5*?
He did pretty good all year though. Better than almost every other QB in the SEC.
Did he get as many yards? No. Did he throw as much? No. But he ran the plays the coaches called pretty well most of the year.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:57 am to Peter Buck
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Gotta give Bama coaches some credit on this one for rolling the dice and knowing our progressions on that formation. Bama showed cover 2 with a man under component. We had trips. Pre-snap, the read is to the slot receiver. The TE is split out. He runs a little dig route, which takes the LB out of the throwing lane. The slot is running a shallow post under the cover 2. The outside receiver is running a hash route to occupy the safety. Looks like pre-snap, the slot is the right read. Bama did something pretty risky that paid off. They ran straight man on the trips side and the safety did not have deep half, he dropped back to show cover 2 and then jumped into the passing lane. It was excellent execution, play call, and scouting on their part. It is tough to see, especially when you are looking off the other safety, but Bennett needs to see it and make the throw to the outside receiver on the deep route with no safety help. I can see how people who don’t understand football would think Bennett “threw it right to their guy”. Bennett was throwing to a spot where our receiver was going to be. Bama rolled the dice and made a great play. That’s a tough learning experience for the QB. You have to see that safety and not assume he is dropping into his deep half. We also need to be able to burn them on the deep post when they jump those routes.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:03 am to Peter Buck
Saw an article were Saban wanted to force pre snap decisions on Bennett and disguised the safeties and LB's on the pick 6 and near pick 6.The safety also that he read his eyes on both occasions.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:16 am to RD Dawg
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Saw an article were Saban wanted to force pre snap decisions on Bennett and disguised the safeties and LB's on the pick 6 and near pick 6.The safety also that he read his eyes on both occasions.
Safeties playing zone always read the eyes. Thats your job. Read QB and watch your zone. On this play, the safety disguised his coverage and then jumped the passing lane.
I’n not sure how you force a pre snap read. I guess you can influence it. You always have a progression based on the defense. Bama took a risk and baited us and it worked. If you watch the film, it looks like they were ready for that play. Sucked for us.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:17 am to SCDawg95
SC… you disagree with the assessment of the play? What are your thoughts?
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