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re: UGA Basketball Season Long Thread (19-15, 10-10) // Season Complete
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:30 pm to tylerdurden24
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:30 pm to tylerdurden24
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Sure there's risk to the current product being put on the court but in relation to where you're wanting to go as a program that risk is pretty negligible
I completely agree. Unfortunately, I just don't think there are that many people committed to our program growing.
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:33 pm to tylerdurden24
Maintaining with the status quo carries the least amount of risk. That's not why I suggested we have wait to make a change.
WG grew out a stupid quote earlier so here goes one..."Patience is a virtue" here is another one, "good things come to those who wait."
As my earlier post said, if we can hire someone that is for sure better than fox and get us to the next level tomorrow then go do that immediately but it would be asanine to move Fox for someone that isn't better and there. If there isn't someone that we know would be better then wait it out until we know we have someon that will take the program to the next level. We are not going to get worse. You all have clearly explained your opinion that we are stagnant. We can't be both no matter how bad you want Fox out.
WG grew out a stupid quote earlier so here goes one..."Patience is a virtue" here is another one, "good things come to those who wait."
As my earlier post said, if we can hire someone that is for sure better than fox and get us to the next level tomorrow then go do that immediately but it would be asanine to move Fox for someone that isn't better and there. If there isn't someone that we know would be better then wait it out until we know we have someon that will take the program to the next level. We are not going to get worse. You all have clearly explained your opinion that we are stagnant. We can't be both no matter how bad you want Fox out.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:35 pm to DoubleDawg22
And that's the problem with your logic: you assume that 1. the AD thinks like you (trust me, they don't and it's maddening for everyone) and 2. That slow playing a new hire is somehow inherently more wise than making a move more immediately. There's no necessary advantage to waiting over not waiting and, in the eyes of fans and recruits, acting immediately will buy you more favor and good will than waiting for that unicorn to walk into the locker room.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:38 pm to DoubleDawg22
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As my earlier post said, if we can hire someone that is for sure better than fox and get us to the next level tomorrow then go do that immediately but it would be asanine to move Fox for someone that isn't better and there.
This was the primary defense for keeping richt.
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We are not going to get worse.
And this was the reasoning. And ten Bauta happened and that theory quickly went to shite.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:41 pm to tylerdurden24
I'm not suggesting wait for a unicorn.
I am also not suggesting wait but f Kirby Smart isn't there then don't make a change. If he is then go get him.
We don't need to go backwards and if we drop anchor and sell immediately without someone that we know is going to be better there is a greater risk of going backwards.
I am also not suggesting wait but f Kirby Smart isn't there then don't make a change. If he is then go get him.
We don't need to go backwards and if we drop anchor and sell immediately without someone that we know is going to be better there is a greater risk of going backwards.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:44 pm to tylerdurden24
That was not the reasoning behind keeping Richt. People wanted to keep Richt because they like'd the way he ran the program. My posts have nothing to do with Mark Richt yet y'all keep inferring as if they do. We are talking production and y'all think taking steps back would be better than trying to maintain until we can hire someone that can surely take us forward.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:53 pm to DoubleDawg22
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We don't need to go backwards and if we drop anchor and sell immediately without someone that we know is going to be better there is a greater risk of going backwards.
There is no way of "knowing" if someone is going to be better. You can feel confident but you ca t ever know. You've been preaching risk, right? Well, in everything risk is inherent. Bully Donovan could come to UGA and we could all feel pretty good about it but, at the end of the day, he could flame out for one reason or another. The only sure thing is there is no sure thing. Sure there's risk involved in any hire but there's also potential. Fox has maxed out his potential and that's what UGA should be looking to buy.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:56 pm to DoubleDawg22
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That was not the reasoning behind keeping Richt. People wanted to keep Richt because they like'd the way he ran the program
It sure as shite was the primary defense given whenever firing him was brought up. "Oh, but who could we possibly get at this point that is better? Who will match his success? We can't risk moving backward when he has brought us so far!"
I know because I was one f the many that used that defense for years until, finally, I realized it was faulty logic. I was afraid of change and felt a personal loyalty to a public figure that certainly didn't have any sort of personal loyalty to me.
Maintaining the status quo is good for banks and people getting close to retirement. For athletic programs whose very nature is meant to compete for dollars, for titles, and for marketing their university, the status quo is the last thing you should be trying to maintain
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:13 pm to tylerdurden24
It's not faulty reasoning, it's minimizing risk and creating an environment of progressive improvement. We sure as hell can know if someone is going to improve the program. That's what data is and every company or program that is anybody has found measurables that allow to the find or see growth.
For instance, you guys are saying we suck based on our win/loss totals. Even though coaches don't use those we as fans do.
Data would support the argument that Fox has been a strong success at UGA because of the number of wins, the improved graduation rate, Our team GPA, attrition percentages, increased season ticket sales, post season tournament appearances, inseason tournament appearances, the number of draft picks fox has coached in his time at UGA, the number of players that are now professional players whether it's NBA or overseas. I'm not actually trying to make this argument with you of whether or not Fox is a good coach, that would be like arguing with a dead dog. What I am telling you is there are certain measurable that people look for. Look at Kirby Smart, his measurables are the ability to recruit which was well documented prior to coming to Athens and to be able to top of the line defense. Therefore you can easily assume that our defense should greatly improve under him as well as the offense due to his ability to recruit.
What do you think a resume is? What do you think a coaching portfolio is? Resume says this is how I have improved a team in the past and a portfolio says this is how I plan to improve this program. Every time they hire someone it is based on resume and plans for the program. You know someone has a great chance of success if they can fix the problems that you currently have and maintain the areas of strength. It's a very simple strategy.
For instance, you guys are saying we suck based on our win/loss totals. Even though coaches don't use those we as fans do.
Data would support the argument that Fox has been a strong success at UGA because of the number of wins, the improved graduation rate, Our team GPA, attrition percentages, increased season ticket sales, post season tournament appearances, inseason tournament appearances, the number of draft picks fox has coached in his time at UGA, the number of players that are now professional players whether it's NBA or overseas. I'm not actually trying to make this argument with you of whether or not Fox is a good coach, that would be like arguing with a dead dog. What I am telling you is there are certain measurable that people look for. Look at Kirby Smart, his measurables are the ability to recruit which was well documented prior to coming to Athens and to be able to top of the line defense. Therefore you can easily assume that our defense should greatly improve under him as well as the offense due to his ability to recruit.
What do you think a resume is? What do you think a coaching portfolio is? Resume says this is how I have improved a team in the past and a portfolio says this is how I plan to improve this program. Every time they hire someone it is based on resume and plans for the program. You know someone has a great chance of success if they can fix the problems that you currently have and maintain the areas of strength. It's a very simple strategy.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:22 pm to DoubleDawg22
For the record, I am not saying keep fox until we find something better. I'm on the train that wants to keep fox because I believe in the way he is building our program is the best for long term growth. If you want to know why I think that I would be happy to explain.
But, if we are goin to get rid of him I want to get the hire right not get it wrong and then get it wrong again because we keep changing and we keep changing because we haven't gotten it right.
But, if we are goin to get rid of him I want to get the hire right not get it wrong and then get it wrong again because we keep changing and we keep changing because we haven't gotten it right.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:57 pm to DoubleDawg22
You want to keep him because you think his weak 2017 recruiting class is gonna blow the lid off the program.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:05 pm to DoubleDawg22
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But, if we are goin to get rid of him I want to get the hire right not get it wrong
Who the hell wants us to hire the wrong guy.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:22 pm to DawgCountry
UGA could hire a GREAT coach if they were committed. Problem is, old fat farts who never fill their obligations to sit in their seats at games, lack of enthusiasm (dull product), and virtually no athletic department support will prevent this from happening.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:43 pm to djsdawg
Not true at all. Not even close.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:45 pm to DawgCountry
Nobody is saying they don't want them to...not sure what your reading.
Knee high, I agree. Although fox has increased the quality of the program as a whole and it's has more prestige than it's had in over a decade. I'm talking more off the court than on but you could say on the court as well. All I'm saying is to make a great hire and if that means wait til next year then so be it.
Indiana is possibly going to fire their coach then you have a handful of other programs that look as if they might fire their coach and they will probably get a great hire before we do so play the waiting game if necessary.
Knee high, I agree. Although fox has increased the quality of the program as a whole and it's has more prestige than it's had in over a decade. I'm talking more off the court than on but you could say on the court as well. All I'm saying is to make a great hire and if that means wait til next year then so be it.
Indiana is possibly going to fire their coach then you have a handful of other programs that look as if they might fire their coach and they will probably get a great hire before we do so play the waiting game if necessary.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:06 pm to Kneehigh
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UGA could hire a GREAT coach if they were committed. Problem is, old fat farts who never fill their obligations to sit in their seats at games, lack of enthusiasm (dull product), and virtually no athletic department support will prevent this from happening.
To get committed, we need a coach who can develop an exciting brand of bball, which will get folks in seats, which will get better recruits in town. The weak crowd at the UF game was very telling about fan base confidence in Fox.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:07 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Not true at all. Not even close.
You mentioned that one good recruit recently as if its gonna be a game changer.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:10 pm to djsdawg
He is rated just behind KCP but bigger. If he is really that good he wouldn't have helped this years team right?
What about a 6-10 post player than can shoot. How about a 6'5 pg? I guess that 6'5 PG can't defend any better than 5'10 JJ Frazier.
What about a 6-10 post player than can shoot. How about a 6'5 pg? I guess that 6'5 PG can't defend any better than 5'10 JJ Frazier.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:22 pm to DoubleDawg22
You are exaggerating how good this trio is:
- 1 very low rated guy who had no offers out of high school
- 1 legacy not close to as good as his relative (sounds familiar)
- 1 good prospect who isnt good enough to elevate the program as a true freshman.
We will continue to struggle shooting and handling the ball next year, which are patented trademarks under Fox.
- 1 very low rated guy who had no offers out of high school
- 1 legacy not close to as good as his relative (sounds familiar)
- 1 good prospect who isnt good enough to elevate the program as a true freshman.
We will continue to struggle shooting and handling the ball next year, which are patented trademarks under Fox.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:27 pm to DoubleDawg22
quote:KCP was a top 10 player, Rayshaun is just inside the top 50, that's a huge difference in college basketball rankings.
He is rated just behind KCP but bigger.
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