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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:03 pm to djsdawg
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Hugh was our new coach in 78 had us in the final 4 in 83.
Harrick took over a similar program as fox did and had us a 3 seed in year 3.
Using the dd22 logic you also seem to adhere to, neither should have been possible. Takes 10 years to build a bball program in yalls world.
Tubby took a "stable team" that hadn't made the tournament in 5 years to the tournament in his only 2 years as coach. If Fox indeed has a "stable" program here, what's to prevent another solid hire from building on it much like Tubby did. There's never a guarantee, but you know what you have with Fox... and it's not great.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:34 pm to djsdawg
I never said it takes 10 years to do anything. I just think its funny the guys that you want to cite as having instant success, one resigned for cheating and the other had our greatest player of all time.
Tubby inherited a much better program than Fox because it was before Harrick had a chance to essentially kill our program. Its much harder to attract solid talent than it was when Tubby was here. Sorry if you cannot see the direction our program has gone since he left.
Tubby inherited a much better program than Fox because it was before Harrick had a chance to essentially kill our program. Its much harder to attract solid talent than it was when Tubby was here. Sorry if you cannot see the direction our program has gone since he left.
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:45 pm to Barstools
I simply gave real examples of our own coaches doing better than fox and much faster. Nothing you just said about Dominique or Tony cole diminishes what happened on the court.
What happened under Harrick set Felton, not fox, up for failure, just like Dave bliss set Scott drew up for failure. For some reason, you always avoid Baylor when I bring it up. Drew was able to overcome unlike Felton. Quality coaches can do that. Fox inherited a much better situation than drew or Felton did, but he too hasn't been able to build what uga is capable of.
What happened under Harrick set Felton, not fox, up for failure, just like Dave bliss set Scott drew up for failure. For some reason, you always avoid Baylor when I bring it up. Drew was able to overcome unlike Felton. Quality coaches can do that. Fox inherited a much better situation than drew or Felton did, but he too hasn't been able to build what uga is capable of.
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:56 pm to Barstools
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Harrick had a chance to essentially kill our program
Realistically, Harrick didn't actually kill our program. We got 4 years of probation, but no post season ban (other than the idiotically self imposed one), and the 3 scholarships that we lost were given back on appeal (and we only asked for one of them). Making a truly terrible hire after Harrick is what took a giant shite on the program. No matter the condition when he got here, 8 years is more than sufficient to turn things around. Examples have already been provided like Northwestern. He's done an admirable job at bringing the program back to "acceptable" levels, but the simple truth is the program isn't exciting... making the NIT is not exciting and doesn't command interest or investment. At this point, YES, the program probably does need to have investment in order to continue improving, but Fox isn't the coach to generate the level of interest or excitement to make it happen...
What does giving him another year do? The question keeps getting asked, but no one is answering it. What do you realistically anticipate seeing in year 9 from Fox that will give you encouragement about the direction of the team/program and say "yeah, he's the guy now"? It's easy to say that hiring a new coach doesn't guarantee success, but keeping what you have essentially *does* guarantee you more mediocre play if not worse with arguably our "most valuable player" leaving this year (since clearly "best" is a divisive word around here and open to so much interpretation here).
Note: You're talking to someone who said last year multiple times (rough quote as I can't find the specific posts) "He probably *could* be fired, but given what he inherited I think he deserves one more year... the team is slated to really improve with JJ as a senior and Yante really becoming one of the best players in the conference"... I've made all the same excuses, but the difference is that next year we don't actually look like a team likely to make significant improvements. We lack scoring threats in a bit way, and we're losing one of the better ones. Counting on a freshman to be the scoring threat that you need is not encouraging.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:02 pm to DoubleDawg22
Hypothetical question, if Mizzou hires Greg Marshall and LSU somehow gets Scott Drew, do you feel confident Fox can compete with those coaches? I know I'd be pissed if UGA didn't fold their cards and watched the bottom of the SEC close the gap.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:12 pm to Glory, Glory
20 WINS MAN!!!!
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:35 pm to DawgCountry
At the end of the day, this program has never had consitant success. We have had some good coaches, some good players, and a lot of average to below average teams. Whatever we do, I hope it is part of a comprehensive and committed plan to make UGA better year in and out. A place that can attract top talent. I appreciate what Fox did for us, but my wishes don't have anything to do with or without him.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:10 pm to Peter Buck
Our program was good enough to dance 10x in the 21 yr period of 1983-03. Consistent or not, That's pretty good and better than fox.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:19 pm to Peter Buck
Agreed. Until there is commitment from the AD we're spinning our wheels for the most part
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:25 pm to DawgCountry
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Until there is commitment from the AD
We pay our head coach respectably. We modernized our playing area. We have a newish practice area. What's left?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:36 pm to djsdawg
You are counting vacated appearances? By my count it's 7 and that's one every three years. The same as Fox will have if he makes it this year...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:40 pm to Barstools
Yes. Focus on the words I used, which were "good enough to dance". The off court bs, whatever it was, didn't have an effect on how the team played on the court.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:45 pm to djsdawg
The NCAA certainly feels like it or they wouldn't have vacated the appearance. But if you have to count vacated wins and self imposed bans to strengthen your arguement, I will let you have it! 
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:01 pm to djsdawg
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Our program was good enough to dance 10x in the 21 yr period of 1983-03. Consistent or not, That's pretty good and better than fox.
If you want to snipe the perfect scope of years, you can do that, but you are wrong.Durham had 5, Smith 2, and Harrick 1.
So, by taking the best possible time frame as a metric.... in all of UGA history, we made the tourney 38% of the time. Fox is at 25%. What it really means is we never have consistently made it and our wins once we get there are really scarce sans a few years.
...another interesting fact is that Fox and Tubby are the only coaches to average above .500 in SEC play. That should not be the history of a program from a University as powerful as UGA.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:28 pm to Peter Buck
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you are wrong.Durham had 5, Smith 2, and Harrick 1.
Hugh had 5 in a 9 year period. Tubby had 2 and then Harrick had 3 dance quality teams in a row, which was 5 in an 8 yr period. 10/21 is just about 50%.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:31 pm to djsdawg
"Dance quality teams“
Get the frick out of here with that...
Get the frick out of here with that...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:42 pm to Barstools
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NCAA certainly feels like it or they wouldn't have vacated the appearance. But if you have to count vacated wins and self imposed bans to strengthen your
Not only are your facts wrong, it's a Highly faulty logic you have here.
1) UGA self imposed those punishments, and 2) the Punishments don't prove that anyone thinks success on the court was because of off the court infractions. They were merely a strategy used in hopes of mercy from the NCAA.
Some would argue we punished ourselves too hard for the infractions that occurred, and I would agree.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:49 pm to Barstools
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"Dance quality teams“
Get the frick out of here with that...
You are clearly unable to judge teams for that they accomplished on the court. Not crediting ourselves for a 3 seed 2 years after the fact doesn't literally mean the games never happened. That was nothing but a symbolic gesture. This is what really happened ON the court:
LINK
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 6:53 am to djsdawg
Well, if you are counting possibilities, we actually beat ATM this year and our best player was hurt a third of the season, so, facts aside, we had a tournament team this year which puts Fox at 38% tourney rate and that falls in line with the program.
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