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re: Starting offensive lineups in last 2 year season openers
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:13 am to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:13 am to Spaceman Spiff
true, but that's somethign you'd imagine will improve with more game reps.
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:15 am to Jboney2688
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I don't think even now with the game going the way it is going that you have to have the top 5 star WR in college to win. I will take the Monken offense with decent WR over the super stars Ohio State had. JMO
This is where the hammer meets the nail.
We do not want to be a 1 dimensional team.
We do not want to rely on or 2 offensive weapons.
We struggle to run inside against a UTMartin who is coming downhill because we need to improve IDs and execution.
We almost lost to Missouri because we were trying to get our inside zone game going.
By season's end, we had it clicking.
If you avoid what you need to work on, you will never get to a championship level at it.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:25 am to K9
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Carson needs to develop some more gunslinger too. That's where stetsons cockiness helped him a ton. Beck seemed hesitant to throw into a tight window or go off script. Which obviously isn't the worst trait, but sometimes you have to take that risk.
I agree. I don't know if risks are needed (or need to be encouraged) against UTM or Ball State.
Our issues with the passing game on Saturday were what I call small mistakes (that can be cleaned up). I dont think being too conservative as a point guard was an issue on Saturday.
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First game he started in several years and I'm sure he didn't want to end up in Kirby's doghouse with turnovers. Definitely gotta find a balance though. I am expecting a big improvement vs ball state. Will be worried if he still looks robotic though.
If he's putting up over 300 yards of offense and 31 points in just over 2.5 quarters as a robot (0 turnovers), I'm not concerned.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:44 am to Spaceman Spiff
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And another thing - he stared down his receive
Not a lot of the time. He went to 2nd and 3rd reads a number of times.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:58 am to meansonny
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If he's putting up over 300 yards of offense and 31 points in just over 2.5 quarters as a robot (0 turnovers), I'm not concerned.
100% agree. Are there things to work on? Absolutely. Everywhere. But 300 yards in 2.5 quarters is a great baseline with which to work.
A "good problem" to have.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:09 am to meansonny
That stat line is fine, but won't happen against a good team if he continues to feel pressure when there isn't any and lock onto receivers.
I think he will be more comfortable vs ball state. Will be interesting to see how he reacts to an interception though.
I think he will be more comfortable vs ball state. Will be interesting to see how he reacts to an interception though.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:10 am to K9
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That stat line is fine, but won't happen against a good team if he continues to feel pressure when there isn't any and lock onto receivers.
How many games do you think he throws for 300 yards this season?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:24 am to meansonny
Impossible to even guess a number at this point.
He could be on the bench by the Tenn game or be tearing it up.
He could be on the bench by the Tenn game or be tearing it up.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:25 am to K9
Then why do you throw out that he won't be able to do it against a better team with pressure?
I don't understand why people post things that they never mean.
I don't understand why people post things that they never mean.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:40 am to meansonny
Because a better team is...better? Lol I don't get your point I guess.
I think a more talented DB will pick up on Becklocking on WRs and be more physically gifted to take advantage of it.
I think a better DC will see he looked uncomfortable when blitzed and will throw more exotic looks at him.
So if he preforms the same way against more talented teams, I don't think he replicates those stats.
Now, I think and hope he will be more comfortable in the upcoming games where those tendencies won't pop up, but if he isn't..could be the Brock show sooner than we thought.
Impossible to make that sort of judgement off one game though. Hope he goes off against ball state
I think a more talented DB will pick up on Becklocking on WRs and be more physically gifted to take advantage of it.
I think a better DC will see he looked uncomfortable when blitzed and will throw more exotic looks at him.
So if he preforms the same way against more talented teams, I don't think he replicates those stats.
Now, I think and hope he will be more comfortable in the upcoming games where those tendencies won't pop up, but if he isn't..could be the Brock show sooner than we thought.
Impossible to make that sort of judgement off one game though. Hope he goes off against ball state
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:46 am to K9
I don’t think Beck locked in on his 1 reads every play. My biggest criticism would be ball placement. He has a helluva arm, but on some passes, the ball was low when it didn’t need to be. Didn’t get a big sample size of long balls, but the one he threw could have used more air under it.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:54 am to Peter Buck
Definitely didn't do it every pass. Looked like he got more comfortable as the game went on.
Not trying to say he is shitty or needs to be benched by any means. Just pointing out a few of my concerns. And like I mentioned it makes sense for the guy to be a little nervous and not wanting to make a mistake. I think he will look much better this week.
Almost would like to see an interception this week. Just to see how he responds to it before a conference game. I worry about his confidence...no specific reason per se just seems like he may be looking over his shoulder a bit or something. Idk. Definitely could be wrong on that point.
Not trying to say he is shitty or needs to be benched by any means. Just pointing out a few of my concerns. And like I mentioned it makes sense for the guy to be a little nervous and not wanting to make a mistake. I think he will look much better this week.
Almost would like to see an interception this week. Just to see how he responds to it before a conference game. I worry about his confidence...no specific reason per se just seems like he may be looking over his shoulder a bit or something. Idk. Definitely could be wrong on that point.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:57 am to K9
Jury is still out on Beck for sure. He has 2 good players behind him. How he handles all that pressure will decide his future. He has the physical tools.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:12 am to Peter Buck
YAC numbers indicate that majority of ball placement was great.
There are outliers (who doesn't have those?).
There are outliers (who doesn't have those?).
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:16 am to K9
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Because a better team is...better? Lol I don't get your point I guess.
You say he won't be able to do it but you won't put any meat on that bone.
What games will he not be able to hit 300?
We were down 2 starters at receiver last week. Down 1.5 starters at RB (Milton was extremely limited).
Beck has a ton to clean up. But they are minor issues (communication with receivers. Identifying a best target per situation).
Film helps with all of that. Guess what he has now?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:31 am to meansonny
You're treating this like I'm saying it's black and white. No one has seen enough of Beck to know how he is going to improve/decline whatever. My only point was that he's not going to be able to get away with some of those bad habits against better teams. I don't think that's a hot take.
Not sure why you're hung up on 300 yards in a game. Or where that even came from in this discussion.
Not sure why you're hung up on 300 yards in a game. Or where that even came from in this discussion.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:41 am to K9
You are pretty much making my point for me.
Here is your quote.
Do you need me to remind you what Beck's statline was?
You are making comments that you don't mean and really don't even remember.
Fans get into their bag of feelings and post nonsense (or when asked to put meaning behind it, confirm that their comment was meaningless).
Here is your quote.
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That stat line is fine, but won't happen against a good team if he continues to feel pressure when there isn't any and lock onto receivers.
Do you need me to remind you what Beck's statline was?
You are making comments that you don't mean and really don't even remember.
Fans get into their bag of feelings and post nonsense (or when asked to put meaning behind it, confirm that their comment was meaningless).
Posted on 9/5/23 at 12:06 pm to meansonny
Lol
What meaning would me predicting which games he would hit 300 yards give to you?
You posted his stats..I said that's fine but if doesn't clean up those issues against good teams he won't be as successful...now you're weirdly obsessed with me predicting his passing yards stats game by game.
Don't understand why you're having so much trouble with that sequence.
What meaning would me predicting which games he would hit 300 yards give to you?
You posted his stats..I said that's fine but if doesn't clean up those issues against good teams he won't be as successful...now you're weirdly obsessed with me predicting his passing yards stats game by game.
Don't understand why you're having so much trouble with that sequence.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 12:23 pm to K9
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I said that's fine but if doesn't clean up those issues against good teams he won't be as successful.
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What meaning would me predicting which games he would hit 300 yards give to you?
It would quantitatively measure how less successful he is.
Otherwise, you are spelling words with your alphabet soup.
If you think he will be successful (300 yards), you could say that. You went the other way (less successful) but are crying for 4 posts when asked to define what that really means.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 12:32 pm to meansonny
317 yards on 25/44 1 TD and 3 int is a successful game to you, huh?
I mean looking at passing yards alone is just a stupid way of judging a QB's performance, don't you think?
So, sorry I didn't waste my time answering your stupid question.
Great job on ruining what was a pretty good thread.
I mean looking at passing yards alone is just a stupid way of judging a QB's performance, don't you think?
So, sorry I didn't waste my time answering your stupid question.
Great job on ruining what was a pretty good thread.
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