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re: OT: Please tell me no one here supports Trump.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:38 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:38 am to mmmmmbeeer
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President Obama will be looked at as one of the greatest Presidents in the history
Lew, take care of this fool ASAP
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:49 am to DawgCountry
Among the greatest in history is just hilarious. I do think in 30 years he will be considered a good president though.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:51 am to mmmmmbeeer
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From healthcare reform,
Reforming it so that prices go up almost across the board.
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LGBT rights
Supreme court did that.
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rescuing us from the edge of a global economic catastrophe
Short term solutions that will provide long term damage.
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outsmarting the most obstructionist Congresses any President has ever faced
Debatable, please provide examples.
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making true efforts to combat climate change
Fair. I'm the rare conservative that believes this is a legitimate issue.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:56 am to retooc
I may be overstating my opinion (little fired up after reading this dumpster fire of a thread). By greatest, I mean somewhere in the top third. I don't think he's looked at as a transformative President right now (which is a trait of the true "greatest") but I think, as time passes, he's made so many small gestures toward many transformative issues that have never/rarely been given attention in the past that, as those issues grow larger in importance, Obama will be given credit for bringing these issues into the Washington mainstream.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:20 am to RedPants
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Reforming it so that prices go up almost across the board.
Medical costs are down while premiums are headed upward. The number of uninsured folks has plummeted. Is it perfect? Hell no, far from it, but it has been the largest piece of health care legislation passed in this country since LBJ and Medicare. I wish two things....1.) the SCOTUS had upheld the medicaid expansion instead of leaving it to the states and, 2.) We had a Congress who spent the last several years improving, fine-tuning Obamacare instead of threatening repeal (with no alternative plan).
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Supreme court did that.
Obama promised full repeal of DOMA and it happened. The court's hand was forced to take up the case due to public outcry. Obama also repealed "don't ask don't tell".
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Short term solutions that will provide long term damage.
Assuming you were a proponent of austerity while fighting the recession, I'd have to ask you how austerity has been working for the rest of the industrialized world that chose that route? Many countries still haven't recovered. The US recovery may not have been bullish for Main Street, but it sure as hell has been for Wall Street. I do agree that, long term, the disparity in wealth in this country will be an issue. I'm not convinced that was directly a result of the recession/Obama though...that gap has been widening for 35 years.
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Debatable, please provide examples.
Obamacare, tax breaks, debt ceiling, immigration, gun control measures, economic stimulus, shutdowns, unprecedented use of the filibuster, etc. It's been pretty rough.
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Fair. I'm the rare conservative that believes this is a legitimate issue.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 10:30 am to mmmmmbeeer
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premiums are headed upward
This is what happens when you make it law that someone buys a product from a company. Such an infringement on personal freedoms.
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Assuming you were a proponent of austerity while fighting the recession
Long term, I am. We have to reign in the budget and spending at some point or we're going to have a serious currency problem.
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Obamacare, tax breaks, debt ceiling, immigration, gun control measures
I appreciate the examples, but pushing these things through despite the wishes of the Congress is one thing, but they are all such awful ideas that Congress should have been more obstructionist on them. The only one I'll possibly concede is immigration. I'm starting to believe that amnesty really is the only common sense solution to the problem, but on;y if we secure the border at the same time.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:19 pm to RedPants
Please tell me no one here supports this
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:28 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Obama has done more to weaken America than any president in modern history. Destroys the economy and still blaming Bush 8 years later. Giving money to terrorist and weakening our defenses. Obamacare where we all pay more for less so others can get it for free (remember what this is called). Attacking the constitution outside of his given authority. At first I thought it was just because he was very unqualified. But so much for so long is someone's agenda.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:34 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Assuming you were a proponent of austerity while fighting the recession, I'd have to ask you how austerity has been working for the rest of the industrialized world that chose that route? Many countries still haven't recovered. The US recovery may not have been bullish for Main Street, but it sure as hell has been for Wall Street. I do agree that, long term, the disparity in wealth in this country will be an issue. I'm not convinced that was directly a result of the recession/Obama though...that gap has been widening for 35 years.
WILL be an issue? It IS an issue. the top 2% are the ONLY sector of the population that have seen financial gains since the recession "supposedly" ended (lol) in 2009. while the eroding middle class continues to languish. the massive corporate bailout resulted in practically no meaningful regulations imposed on wall street. frick, theyve already created some new type of complex derivative almost identical to the credit default swap. the hedge fund guys were back to getting eight figure bonuses within a year of the crash. And the CEO to average worker ratio in this country is like 475:1. The two CEOs of Chipotle make $13,000/hr. The CEO of Starbucks makes over $10,000/hr. Yet start talk of making minimum wage a living wage and you get a bunch of hee haw jackasses swearing that robots will replace all the fry cooks at McDonalds and big macs will cost $17. when its been proven they'd have to add on average of around a nickle an item to absorb the cost
But let's talk more about trickle down theory
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:43 pm to Chef Leppard
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The two CEOs of Chipotle make $13,000/hr. The CEO of Starbucks makes over $10,000/hr.
It's sort of ridiculous. I don't know how salaries like that can be quantified. But how do you address it? Govt proposed salary caps? That's even worse.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:53 pm to Broncothor
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Obama has done more to weaken America than any president in modern history. Destroys the economy and still blaming Bush 8 years later. Giving money to terrorist and weakening our defenses. Obamacare where we all pay more for less so others can get it for free (remember what this is called). Attacking the constitution outside of his given authority. At first I thought it was just because he was very unqualified. But so much for so long is someone's agenda.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:12 pm to ladyluckUGA
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Obama has done more to weaken America
The unemployment rate went down, the economy is stronger, no foreign terrorist attacks, Bin Laden was killed, climate change prioritization, the deficit has shrunk...
He's not perfect, but he's objectively improved this country a lot IMO.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:16 pm to grey
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The deficit has shrunk
fricking liberals
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:18 pm to DawgCountry
I'm no liberal. I consider myself a moderate.
I just look at the data.
I just look at the data.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:22 pm to grey
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The unemployment rate went down, the economy is stronger, no foreign terrorist attacks, Bin Laden was killed, climate change prioritization, the deficit has shrunk..
Unemployment went down because people stopped looking, food stamp use is up 5 fold, Congrats military intell got him Obama did shite, climate change...aka the weather, the national debt more then doubled.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:43 pm to grey
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I just look at the data.
That data shows the annual spend, not the aggregate, which is 18.8 T today. It was what - 12T under Bush? So yeah, maybe spending has gone down per year but it's still astronomical, and frankly unacceptable. Not that there is a hill of beans difference between Obama and Bush anyway...
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:48 pm to grey
Are you still here pushing this turd thread out? 
Obama has been a horrible occupier of the White House on all accounts. He lost Congress in his first term and has enacted nothing but pinata policies since he;s been in office.
His gun control shenanigans are sensational and will most likely send Trump into cruse mode for the 2016 Victory lap.
Can't wait for 50 years of liberal onions to get peeled one layer at a time.
Obama has been a horrible occupier of the White House on all accounts. He lost Congress in his first term and has enacted nothing but pinata policies since he;s been in office.
His gun control shenanigans are sensational and will most likely send Trump into cruse mode for the 2016 Victory lap.
Can't wait for 50 years of liberal onions to get peeled one layer at a time.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 7:16 pm to grey
Unemployment is measured by the percentage of people collecting benefits. After a while they stop paying or become too burdensome to collect. You then no longer count in the percentage even though you now unemployed and without benefits. Stats are easily manipulated.
Edit: and do we encourage people to work. It do we give them food stamps that they easily abuse and free health insurance. And if they are illegals. Amnesty. Buy that vote!
Edit: and do we encourage people to work. It do we give them food stamps that they easily abuse and free health insurance. And if they are illegals. Amnesty. Buy that vote!
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:10 pm to Broncothor
Obama the "greatest president ever" is laughable. But compared to W I could see why one might think that. Obama's failures pale in comparison to the previous 8 years. The biggest knock on Obama in my book is lack of progress in key areas such as the debt and successfully dealing with the issues we have in the Middle East. At least he didn't start the two wars that had no exit plan, drive the economy off the cliff, and allow the biggest terrorist attack ever on American soil to happen. Has he "fixed" all of that? Hell no he's made a ton of mistakes and has a serious lack of leadership issue. But the vitriol spewed against him by the same people who voted for W is just astounding to me. Just how I see it.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:58 pm to PiningBulldawg
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